Medieval Monday!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by FitzNigel, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I’m getting bad at keeping up with mondays... here’s a purchase from my numismatic youth:

    Med-09a-Eng-1189-Richard I-D-3a-London-Ricard-1347.jpg England
    Richard I, r. 1189-1199 A.D.
    London Mint, AR Class 4a Short Cross Penny, 20.06mm x 1.8 grams
    Obv.: [hEN]RICVS R[EX]. Bust facing seven pearled crown with sceptre
    Rev.: +[RIC]ARD . ON . LVN. Short cross voided with quatrefoil in each angle
    Ref.: North 968/1, SCBC 1347, CC99 R11D-010, De Witt 3193
     
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  3. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Better late then never!
     
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  4. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Castile and Leon
    AV Maravedi (Morabitino) Safar date 1250=1212AD Tulaytula (Toledo) Mint
    Alfonso VIII 1158-1214AD
    3.82g. 26.5mm. 2h.
    Translated obverse/ reverse reads:
    "the emir of the Catholics Alfonso ben Sancho"
    reverse: "the imam of the Church of the Messiah is the Roman Pope"
    "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit/ God is One. He that believeth in Him and is baptized, shall be saved" image01730.jpg
     
  5. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    It's been a while since I posted on this thread so it's time I add a coin. Below is a penny of Henry III that is a mule of class 1b/2a. It's been argued that these coins represent a transition from the trail period of class 1 at the London mint to the production of VLC pennies in class 2.
    Henry III AR Voided Long Cross 1b-2a .jpg
     
  6. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Here is one of my favorite purchases from last year:
    Med-10-S-1000-English Imitation-D-XX.jpg Scandinavia (?)
    English Imitation, 11th c.
    AR Penny, 17.53 mm x 1.7 grams
    Obv.: Bust right, scepter right, imitating Æthelred II ‘Crux’ type
    Rev.: Short cross pattée, imitating Æthelred II Short Cross type

    full write-up found here
     
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  7. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Its Monday!
    Which means Medieval is back in vogue...
    From close to where I come from/
    Mainz/ Archbishopric
    Gerlach von Nassau 1346-71
    Bingen Mint
    AV Goldgulden ND (1365-71) 22mm. 3.51g.
    Felke 140 rheinland-pfalz-mainz-erzbistum-196723-XL.jpg
     
  8. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Here's my Louis VII (1137-1180) of Bourges.
    +LVDOVICVS REX.
    +VRBS BI [/] TVRICA. (Duplessy 134.)
    COINS, FRANCE, LOUIS VII, BOURGES, OBV..JPG
    COINS, FRANCE, LOUIS VII, BOURGES, REV..JPG
    (Edit: ) Since this is easily the most elaborate portrait on a Capetian coin to date, I thought it might be fun to find some contemporaneous sculpture. Although the cathedral at Bourges underwent a serious, very Gothic overhaul from c. 1195 into the 13th century, there are extant mural sculptures from the preceding phase of its life. This, and other Romanesque examples on Wikimedia Commons, aren't forthcoming regarding details, but the sculptures are clearly High Romanesque, c. earlier -mid-12th century. During the whole interval, along with being a bishopric, Bourges was a regional center of the Capetian royal demesne.
    Bourges Cathedral Romanesque sculptures.jpg
     
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  9. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    I'll add a penny of Edward I that is from a class I didn't previously. It is class 4e and is notable for the the pellets on the breast of the king's bust.
    Edward I Penny 4e.jpg
     
  10. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @TheRed, this is embarassing, but I didn't know --or at least didn't retain the information-- that any classes of the New Coinage had pellets near the collar. ...Well, the English ones, anyway. Always associated that with the Edward I issues from Ireland. ...And, wouldn't you just know it, any .jpgs of my less than stellar Dublin example are eluding capture.
     
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  11. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Considering it’s the Ides of March (and I don’t have one of those Sancerre issues depicting Caesar), I thought it appropriate to post something from Rome!
    Med-13-IRom-1100-Senate-D-4733.jpg Italy - Rome
    Roman Senate, c. 12-13th C.
    AR Denier, 17.26 mm x 0.9 grams
    Obv.: [RO]M[A CAPVT] MV[N]. Legend beginning at 3hr. Comb center, S above with sun to left and moon to right
    Rev.: [SENATVS . P.O.R.]. Cross patee, 1st q. moon, 2nd q. pellet, 3rd q. star, 4th q. V
    Ref.: Roberts 4733 Variety
    Note: Imitative of Champagne
     
  12. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Here in mine from Papal States/ Roman Senate MS-66 4232825l.jpg
     
  13. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Gotta keep this rolling!
    Med-05a-FNor-943-Richard I-D-XV-11.jpg Feudal France - Normandy
    Richard I, r. 943-996
    AR Denier, 21.1 mm x 1.3 grams
    Obv.: +RICARDVS I. Cross pattee with pellets in angles
    Rev.: ROTOMAGVS. Stylized chapel made from St. Andrew’s cross, with a pellet in the pediment
    Ref.: Dumas XV-11, Duplessy 16
     
  14. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    I have yet to find the history of the man who had this coin struck:

    Raymond.jpg

    France, Provincial. Orange (principauté). Raymond V.

    AR Demi-carlin, 1340-1393 AD.

    Obverse: Raymond seated facing on throne with double lion back, holding cross and scepter

    Reverse: Voided long cross pattée with cornets in quarters.

    Reference: Duplessy, Féodales 2084; Poey d'Avant 4515.

    Diameter: 21mm. Weight: 1.50 g, 6h

    Conservation: VF. Toned, areas of weak strike, a few light scratches.
     
  15. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Magnificent example, @svessien. This is too late to be anywhere in my purview, but the following genealogical link will help a little bit. From the genealogist extraordinaire, Charles Cawley. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/provvaldi.htm#RaymondIVBauxOrangedied1340A
    From there, you can Wiki him, to find out a little more than nothing....
     
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  16. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    AD611857-FBBF-4376-BE62-E337EA667836.jpeg

    Anglo-Saxon gold thrymsa
    Crondall phase
    ‘EAN’ type
    SCBC 759
    North 30

    Known from 4 other coins from the Crondall hoard of 1828, all from the same die pair as this coin, this rare type is from the earliest period in Anglo-Saxon coinage, the gold imitations of late Roman and migration period tremisses, the so-called thrymsas. The legend is somewhat garbled but has a recognizable legend of EAN retrograde at the top. It is not clear whether the coin is meant to spell anything meaningful. The legend is not any clearer on any of the other known examples.
     
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  17. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Oh, No, It's Monday! I was distracted the whole day. Hang on a minute.... Amedee III obv.jpg
    Amedee III rev.jpg
    County of Savoy. Denier of Amadeus III, 1103-1148. Mint of Secusia.
    Obv. (From 11 0'clock: ) o AMEDEVS.
    Rev. (From 7 o'clock: ) o SECVSIA.
    One of my favorite castles in continental Europe has to be Chillon, built by successive counts of Savoy. It's on Lake Geneva. This pic emphasizes the rectangular towers, which are likely to be contemporaneous to Amadeus. (That Almost rhymed, but I'm not busted for it ...yet.) The outer wall, with the round towers --much more 13th century-- was designed by James of St. George, who went on to design Edward I's 'concentric' castles in Wales. Which collectively elevated castle building to a completely new pitch of sophistication.
    CASTLES, SAVOY, Château_de_Chillon_-_Montreux.jpg
    Okay, here's one view of an example of the latter, Conwy (/Conway) Castle.
    Conway_-_panoramio.jpg
     
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  18. IMP Shogun

    IMP Shogun Well-Known Member

    Great thread.

    “My Crown is in my heart, not on my head:
    Not deck'd with Diamonds, and Indian stones:
    Nor to be seen: my Crown is call'd Content,
    A Crown it is, that seldom Kings enjoy.”
    ― William Shakespeare, King Henry VI, Part 3


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    Henry VI 1422-1461
    Groat Rosette-Mascle
    S. 1859 1430-1431
    VILLA CALISIE
     
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  19. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @IMP Shogun, fantastic use of Shakespeare ...and the coin is pretty great, too!
    Honest, the only Calais groats of Henry VI I knew of were from the significantly earlier 'annulet' issue. (--By a decade or so; significant if you're looking at the Hundred Years' War.) Very, Very Cool.
     
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  20. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    There are a number of different classes of Edward I pennies that have marks or symbols on the neck or bust of the king. Some are more common, like my class 4e penny, while others are scarce. Probably the most common mark is a star which shows up on class 9 pennies, though wear can makeit hard to see. A rossette shows up on class 7 ones but wear can make it hard to distinguish. On the scarce side, an annulet shows up on some class 1d pennies. Here is my example in a poor state, but for a scarce type I'll take it.
    4200579.jpg
     
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  21. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Many thanks for the elucidation, @TheRed. ...Suddenly, those people who actually read numismatic references cover to cover don't look so silly to me....
     
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