Thoughts on this Germany (Prussia) 1888 A 5 Marks?

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  1. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Recently imaged this coin for someone, and...something is making my Spidey sense tingle...

    Germany (Prussia) - 1888 A 5 Marks.jpg

    Is it just me...or is there something going on with this coin? It's giving me a counterfeit kind of vibe. Just looks like the devices are standing out a lot more than a coin with this amount of wear would show.
     
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  3. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    The portrait of the Kaiser is rather harsh in the details - the eyes are definitely a giveaway that this is an early 21st century "Chinese tribute piece".
     
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  4. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Yeah, and the jawline is SUPER strong (esp compared to the images of a genuine coin.)
     
  5. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    How does the edge look? Chinese-made replicas often give themselves away by having an unusual edge that differs from known genuine pieces.
     
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  6. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Unfortunately, I no longer have the piece in hand. The owner sends me batches of coins to image for a book he's working on. This one was in the last batch and has already been returned to the owner. I had my doubts when it was here, but didn't want to potentially damage it by going outside my stated directive of imaging the coins.
     
  7. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Maybe I'm wrong, but....1888? I don't think things are adding up. I don't have time to check, but this design looks 1914ish to my memory..
    Edit, I am wrong. But it looks bad to me.
     
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  8. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    It was the "Three Kaisers" year, Wilhelm I died in January, his son Friedrich III died 99 days later of larynx cancer, then his son Wilhelm II assumed the throne in June 1888.

    The reverse with the smaller skinnier eagle was used in 1888, but not in 1914.
     
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  9. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    FWIW, there is an almost exact match on Ali Express...of course, their example shows the word "copy" on both sides. Which we all know means every coin they send out will also have the word copy stamped on it...lol
     
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  10. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Thanks, I didn't know that...I was thinking a bearded guy, now I know why.
     
  11. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    Somehow the legends make me also think 'fake.'
     
  12. ffrickey

    ffrickey Junior Member

    For the record, here's a picture of what I take to be a genuine Wilhelm II 1888A 5 mark piece. For sure the jaw is not nearly as well defined as in the referenced picture. Also the eye looks different. DEPrus5Mark1888A.jpg
     
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  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Funny, that’s the first thing that started giving me the creeps.
     
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  14. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    It was the jaw for me...but the eyes and the hair-style/profile a close second.
     
  15. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    He kind of reminds me of the Guy Fawkes mask from V for Vendetta.
     
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  16. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    It is either a fake or has been tooled (altered). The ends of the ribbon on the reverse in the crown and the shield seem to have a lot more detail than the genuine piece shown are obvious, but there is a lot going on there for sure.
     
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  17. Seascape

    Seascape U.S. & World Collector

  18. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Whether it is authentic or counterfeit - It’s also harshly (I mean Brillo pad level) cleaned.
     
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