Isnt it illegal to deface/destroy currency?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Penny Fanatic, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. Penny Fanatic

    Penny Fanatic Seated Half Collector

    Hi I was wondering about this topic but could not find straight forward answers on the net. Believe me when I say I have no intentions of destroying U.S. or have ever done so. What made me wonder was I heard about kids melting pennies in school lately ( part of class I would assume).

    Any thoughts or answers would be much appreciated; for paper or coin... and again I have no intentions of destroying U.S. currency.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Perfectly legal.
     
  4. Jac

    Jac Coin Idiot

    So I can melt down pre 82 cents? Really?
     
  5. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    For copper value maybe, but for sheer fun post 82's are a lot more fun.
     
  6. Jac

    Jac Coin Idiot

    For real for real for real, I can melt cent copper? Man, that's news to me.
     
  7. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    There is supposed to be some law about melting Silver coins I think but just as most laws, greatly misunderstood and ignored. Entire web sites dedicated to the hoarding of Copper coins for melting purposes. Many jewlers melt silver coins all the time. They can make more selling specialty items over the coins. The problem here is in many instances of melting coins for the metal ends up distroying coins of great value but due to ignorance, it still happens. Try picturing 14D Lincoln Cents being melted with bulk quantities of Copper coins, wire, piping, etc. Picture a 42/41 Mercury Dime melted for less than a dollar.
    Naturally the metal recycler people just really don't care nor in most instances don't know.
    And as to paper money, ever note the people at most stores when you give them currency. They now swipe it with some kind of marker. Nice to leave that on some valuable ones.
     
  8. Jac

    Jac Coin Idiot

    I think melting copper cents is illegal last I checked. Am I wrong?
     
  9. Digenes

    Digenes Just a collector

    At the beginning of 2009 or end of 2008 I can't remember which, they placed a temp ban on the melting of all cents and nickels. This temp ban was later made perm, so yes it is illegal to melt any cents or nickels.

    Dave
     
  10. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

  11. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Us can melt Canadian and I believe Canadians can melt US.
     
  12. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    "The nation needs its coinage for commerce," U.S. Mint director Ed Moy said in a statement. "We don't want to see our pennies and nickels melted down so a few individuals can take advantage of the American taxpayer. Replacing these coins would be an enormous cost to taxpayers."

    How would it cost the taxpayer?
     
  13. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    What do you mean? It is right there in the quote from the article that you posted. If all pre 1982 cents were melted, the taxpayer would foot the bill to produce more cents to meet the damand of commerse. It costs more than a cent to produce a cent.....WE pay that bill.
     
  14. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

  15. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    I've never understood why it is OK to make souveniers out of curculating coins.

    I don't get it...
     
  16. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

  17. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Research the mint and get back to me. Neither YOU nor I pay for it.
     
  18. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Defacement of Currency

    Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

    Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service.

    http://www.moneyfactory.gov/document.cfm/18/104


    RickieB
     
  19. Jac

    Jac Coin Idiot

    I'm still a coin idiot no matter what!
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Out of curiosity, since it does cost money to make cents and nickels, who do you think pays if we do not? The Russians? The Cubans? Oh! I know. It is the Chinese.
     
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