Possible DDR ?

This penny looks like it has doubling all through the outer devices on the reverse. "IN GOD WE TRUST", a little on "ONE CENT", and the initials. What do you guys think? I tried to post the clearest pics I could, but the U an I in "UNITED" have clear separation on the tops of the letters. JMO

 

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My initial reaction is mild MD. I am certain it is not a doubled die.

It appears to be a post-'92 Lincoln - what year is it exactly?

 

I would say MD too not a doubled die
Big Ben

 

It is a 1999 Philly. I think with the separation on the I and U, it might be a DDR. I will see what others think.

 

I’m sorry, but what I see in these pictures is inconsistent with die doubling.

Anyone have found the appearance of doubling on a coin must ask themselves if what appears to be separation lines fall onto the device itself or outside of it - or in other words, is the design elements the typical size with an additional area adjoined to it making it bigger, or do the separation lines cut into the design.

The last picture posted is critical to this question - with what appears as separation lines on the E and S of STATES – the lines cut into the E & S, sharply. If I deleted the doubled areas the resulting E & S would be both smaller than normal and oddly shaped. That tells me this is machine doubling. The fact that the separation lines are sharp as opposed to rounded, tells me this machine doubling. What happened is the die came back down and slightly squashed the outside design elements (i.e., machine doubling).

The final clue is this kind of doubling on the outside devices on single squeeze hubbings is rare; however, when it has occurred there was notching, extra thickness and (rounded) separation lines. Three examples would be 2004P DDR-001, 2006P DDO-003 and 1995D DDO-003. Examine photos of those coins and find the differences.

 

I am not sure if this will help you at all, but here are a couple of photos of a coppercoins 1983P-1DR-001, Wexleer WDDR-001 I found few months back.
You might be able to use these photos to compare to what you found














Hope these images help you see what jcuve is trying to tell you.

Dave

 

I was not sure until I saw the CA picture (#4)
MD.

 

I agree MD
But could it be what there calling a class 6???

 

Not a class 6, MD.

 

Then show me a class 6???

 

I am perplexed how the discussion has changed to class VI doubling - class VI is characterized by extra thickness, not separation lines. There is no class VI doubling shown in the above pictures - it is MD.

Below is 2009 FY DDO-003 which is listed as class VI by Dr. Wiles of CONECA and conversely as a class IX on Coppercoins.com. Sorry the photos are not better but it is all I have at the moment.

 

Thank Jason! but your 2nd photo to me looks like MD. is your 1st photo class 6?? or 2nd??

 

They are both the 2009 FY DDO-003 (3-O-VI) Discovery Coin. I need to re-shoot so it is clearer but I have other things to do first...

Here are James Wiles pics, better than mine: LINK

 

No Class VI...that does not even enter into what the coin looks like.......No doubled die....just machine doubling.

Thanks,
Bill

 

thanks, i guess

 

Hi jessash1976,

Take a look at the 1983 DDR up there and notice how the lettering is effected makin the letters appear wider that they should. That is characteristic of most types of Doubled Dies.

Now look at your coin, particularly the I and N...each letter is cut in half (more or less for the sake of example). The lettering does not look wider. What makes the doubled look on your coin is a line caused by machine doubling that is on top of the letters. Essentially, it is metal that was piled on top of the letters.

Thanks,
Bill

 

There's certainly alot of studying to learn what a doubled die looks like and other forms of doubling it takes a long time distinguishing the different forms, as a professor of coins I have learned that it is a science, and a talent to really tell, but once you grasp the concept it's like riding a bike.
The coin is machine doubling flat like shelf images the A in America is the dead give away.

The coinprofessor Billy

 

Actually it's called Machine Doubling Damage. And as a professor I'm surprised you didn't mention this.

 

Yep Machine doubling no double die.
Tim

 

That's definetly machine doubling damage.
Alex