Has anyone seen this

2009 Polk dollar has an incused upsidedown"T" next to the mint mark "P". Thanks this is my first post I'm new to error collecting.

 

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Welcome aboard my friend i don'thave any knowledge on these ,but somebody will come along and help you

Frankie Boy

 

welcome to the foruM!!!

and to answer your question - no! i have not seen anything like that .... 'yet'!

 

It's presumably a contact mark from the obverse lettering of another coin. It's not an error.

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

Wouldn't a contact error be in relief rather than incused? I have several dollar that has stars that are contact errors. This particular error is as though thr T was stamped. Please don't think me argumentive as I am very curious. Thanks everyone for the welcome!

 

I think what Mike is saying is that the incuse "T" came from being pressed against a raised "T" on the obverse (i.e., face) of another coin.

 

That is an awful small T. Is the T from IGWT that small? none of the the other T's come close to being that size.

 

Mike I think you may be right. After reading Conder101s comment I did compare the T in igwt and also on the t in president and they are identical. My confusion now I guess is how the T and the P can be so inline and at the same debth? Thanksall for the help I'm still on a steep learning curve. Ready for another??

 

Not an argument

Please don't think I'm belaboring a point I'm just super curious. The new pic I attached is from a pic I found on the net. The question I have is what are the chances of a contact mark being at the same location and upside down? My coin appears to be deeper incused than the pic I found.

Looking forward to the insight

 

another

The close up shot is a pic I found on the net

 

It's an optical illusion. having photographed many of these edges, I can tell you that the T in your latest picture is raised. It is the result of an incuse letter acting like a die. It is a contact mark as Mike said.

Thanks,
Bill

 

It's a contact mark, I have seen them on eBay being sold by people who don't know what they are.

Keep searching and you'll find something worthwhile. Good luck!

 

My bad

It is so hard to wrap my mind around the chances of seeing that T at the same place as mine and upside down as well. I know that everyone here is much more experenced than I am so I am going to take to heart that what you say is in fact the case.......but it's driving me batty.........lol. Thanks for your feedback and I won't bring it up again.

John

 

Keep in mind that the lettering is added as the coin rolls through a Schuler edge lettering machine so the starting point and ending point of the pattern of lettering on the coins is different. The fact that you are seeing two Ts on two coins in the same relative position is pure coincidence since it could not be planned that way.

It is not a result, therefore of a minting issue. It is a coincidental damage to each coin. I've seen this at least 1000 times on the many dollar coins that I've searched through.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Thanks Bill I know deep down inside that you guys are right. I guess the stubborn " want it to be" in me keeps fightiing it. This forum is great no one has bashed me ( yet) for my stubborn streak and has been very educational even in the short time I've been here. I went out and found The Error Coin Encyclopedia II by Margolis so maybe my questions will be more educated.

 

You're doing the right thing. Sometimes that's what it takes in order to learn. Ask the question, if you don't like the answer do the further education to come to a decision on your the answer.

 

Thanks Rockdude I appreciate that!

 

I think most of us "hunters" have had such a moment where we just couldn't imagine that fate and coincidence could have produced an effect. Searching for errors and varieties will do that to you many times. Throw in Machine doubling, Longacre's effect, physical damage, poor lighting, etc.....it is a wonder most of us are still somewhat sane. And as for those that search thousands of rolls a month or year, it is, well, more so :goofer:

Jim

 

Bill if that is true then it brings up another question. Where did an incuse T to create a raised T come from? There are no incuse T's on the Polk dollar and I doubt this Polk dollar would come in violent enough contact with a pre-2009 president dollar in a setting outside the mint to create it unless it was done deliberately. (I will agree though that after closer examination of the highlighting and shadows the T does appear to be raised.)