A couple of new ducats

I recently purchased these two ducats.

Netherlands 1960
Mintage is only 3,605 it is an uncommon date.



Netherlands 1841 (Fleur de lis privy mark)
Mintage of 95,760, Also an uncommon date.

 

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Artifacts of history

OK, you will have to explain this to us, certainly to me. The Netherlands was occupied by Germany from May 15, 1940. So, where was this ducat struck?

(My SCWC lists nothing between 1937 to 1960.)

 

The coin is dated 1841, not 1941.

That said, were do you get the mintages?

What is the mintage for 1607?

guy

 

Thanks for pointing that out Bart
sorry about that mmarotta

Bart mintages are listed for some years in the Krause Catalogs
Regarding your question on a 1607, the only province with a published mintage number is West Friesland which has a Mintage of 180,880 (This figure includes all the years 1607,1608,1609,1610.1611,1612)

 

Sometimes I wonder whether or not I'd be better off concentrating my efforts on something that unique and noteworthy than where I'm heading

uh uh .... Where am I heading?? :goofer::goofer::goofer:

 

Congrats, I truly appreciate a specialist of such unique pieces.

 

Thank you.

guy

 

The ducats are super looking coins. I would imagine that a reasonable set of these would be a lifetime's project. Thanks for sharing.

 

Doug,
I'm still looking all over my city for a copy of the October 16th issue of Worldwide Coins so I can read the article!!!
and how many coins would make up this collection by year... 1586 - 2009 minus a few years I suppose.(400+-).
I'm having a hard enough time with one ducat from each province

 

Interesting, I surprized that many years of no minting.

 

SilverEagle....

I just looked over your collection again...congrats on an outstanding gathering of unique pieces. Last I looked was about a year ago!

Nice work!


RickieB

 

Thanks for the compliment .... RickieB
I'm trying really hard to build it right!!

 

Mintages of gold Dutch ducats

Guys, there is a few catalogues of Dutch coins. First of all Delmonte's "Benelux d'Or" ("Golden Benelux", 1964) with separate supplement (1978) with base rarity scale of all gold ducats, this is 'must have' literature for all Dutch ducats collectors. In this books Delmonte provided approx. mintages for these coins. But I found mistakes in calculations of rarity scale for each coin in Delmonte. He based on Schulman's card system and mint notes collected by L. W. A. Besier (coins struck between 1574 and 1813). For some mints we got no records about mintage, it's definitely lost with waardijns' books (notes from so-called 'muntbus opening' - kind of production tests & reports in current times).

We got also other good catalogues with mintages, like Schulman (for 1795-1975 coinage) but most of them base of Delmonte or earlier old-Dutch literature. The best books are these ones about specified mints, like i.e. for Daventer mint (one of three city mints striking gold ducats in Overijssel province) the best book is Fortuyn Droogleever ''De vorstelijke en de stedelijke muntslag te Deventer''. Walking that way you should expect to collect at least 20 books to have basic overview of gold Dutch ducats. Remember also - all these books are written in Dutch (and some exceptions in additional languages, mostly French).

You should remember you will find differences between books in mintages. Let's see 1818 Utrecht ducat mintage: Krause - 1,561,407 pcs, Delmonte 1,553,218 pcs, Mevius 2,902,390 pcs. Or Brussel 1828 ducat 454,114 pcs in Krause and the same coin 534,492 pcs in Delmonte. Mevius is probably the worst to base with mintages because of mistakes like this: Utrecht 1831 mintage in Krause and Delmonte 410,915 and 410,832, Mevius listed this coin with 1,410,832. Slightly different, round million different

These mintages are not solved in literature so far (but it should come within a year). Main problem with wrong mintages is rewriting wrong information from one book to another without moving back to mints reports, 19th and early 20th century auction catalogues, etc.

And one more thing. For some provincial gold ducats, especially early strikes in Hungarian or Spanish types but not only - i.e. also for 1801 Batavian Republic ducat from Harderwijk mint under Marten Losse - exists several varieties with different rarity and value. These coins are listed in catalogues as one type, without varieties. So only in specialist books like Fortuyn Droogleever's one, mentioned above, you can find detailed information.