New Copper Lincoln's toning so quick, what's up?

Thank's that's what I want to know, you phrased it better than I did!

Thank's that's what I wanted to know, you phrased it a little better than I did!
But it can go either way can't it? What did they do then that was right that they are not doing now? What are they doing now that they didn't do then - Whatever way you want to ask it - the question is the same. If they knew they were going to gear up to make copper cents in 2009, and they did, - if they had made them for decades before without readily toning problems both proof and regular cents, and they did, if they had a good supplier for copper cents for years and they did, if they had a good procedure for cleaning and treating copper palnchets for years, and they did - just what happened at the mint in 2009 regarding such quick toning problems for the new copper cents???
I think there is 3 possible areas for the problems and I'm just taking a leap here but,,,
1. Where are the copper planchets from? Are they using the supplier they used to use? Is he in buisness any longer? Did they put it out for bid and maybe pick the wrong supplier?
2. At least for the proofs I have seen could the foam insert and/or lose cases be the problem?
3. Is there a procedure in place at the mint today that contributed to the toning that they are not willing to either tell us about or are they trying a modern fix to the problem without success and just settling for the old "well copper tones quickly, what can you expect???

The mint is either doing something or not doing something that is causing new copper cents to tone almost as soon as they are minted and I do not think anyone would have ever predicted that this would happen until it has. To me that's very suspect to say the least.

There will be an answer but I do not know when it will be or how it will be conveyed to us.
Just like any answer from the Govt. it goes like this:
No it didn't happen, didn't happen. didn't happen,,, well it might have, might have,,, well it did, it did but it's not as you think it was, blada, blada, blada and so on until they defuse it enough to bore us to tears and we no longer care because they drag it out until half of us are dead and thet other half no longer is interested.

 

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The mint has been using anti-tarnish coatings on all of the dollar coins since they were first released in 2000. They still are using them.
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Now..sadly...they are forever ruined...forever destined to be.. alas...I can't even bring myself to say it. Oh the pain.....the pain!!

 

......i don't know if this has been asked before, but here goes. i'm wondering if the TPG's are a little worried about this 'toning' problem the mint talks about? after all some (PCGS) has a warranty for their slabs on coins turning after they're graded. RIGHT!? do any of you think that they will change their warranties because of this?

 

I would also question the pressure exerted by the press, I think we are using much more pressure today than in the past, I'm no big brain scientist but I seem to remember something from my chemistry classes 30 years ago about pressure being able to change the molecular structure of an item, this could possibly change the way the item reacts to other stimuli such as the atmosphere?? Hopefully someone smarter than me will post and prove or disprove this theory.

 

I received this little notice in my box with the Mint set:
:loud:
A messege from the United States Mint about the Lincoln Bicentennial One Cent Coins contained in your 2009 US Mint Coin set:

Given the metallic composition used for the 2009 unc one cent coins - - the same used for the original 1909 Lincoln cents - - the alloy readily tarnishes. The US Mint has used anti-tarnish treatments to minimize this impact on the appearance of the unc coins. However, the alloy used for the one-cent coins in this years unc set is expected to tarnish more over time than the previous years plated zinc one cent coins.

That's all the notice says, no real explanation. So there you go, they don't know either, lol.

 

I notice the same thing, I have a few laying on my computer desk and they look like they have been in circulation for years. I can find 2006 pennies with more luster in circulation.

 

Maybe toning isn't the correct word. the ones I have laying out in the open are just losing their luster and getting dull. I noticed it with the log cabins and rail splitters. Got three of the third cents in leave a penny jar at a pizza shop here in dallastown Pa. on Friday, they look pretty good. I left a nickel for them, don't want anyone to think I'm cheap. LOL

 

That is so true. And in some areas those same nice, shinny pipes turn green almost over night. Copper is so reactive that there are massive problems with dissintigration in the ground when used for Grounding systems. For example in some areas after a few years all such Copper grounding systems have completely turned into Sulfates and are now useless. Even though many such systems are 500 Kcmil in size, in the ground they just react with so many different things that they slowly vanish.
Grounding systems for Lightning protection too dissintigrates due to acidic gasses in the air in some areas where Sulfur types of Coal is burned. Many areas use Aluminum Wires and Stainless Stell grounding systems due to this. Any Copper or Brass piping in your house. That too starts to turn green from such gases in the air.
I've seen many cents from the 90's ara already looking like something from the distant past. Our air is just not to great lately.
AND as to the percent of Copper or anything else in our coinage. Dose anyone ever question the purity of the metals used in those coins? Naturally if the government says 95% Copper, it must be true since they never, ever say anthing that is incorrect.

 

That was my point, don't understand why the rolls I got from the bank, of the new pennies, are discoloring, if they are the same composition as the pennies of the last few years. Those I have in flips are fine. I was just experimenting, by laying a few out on the counter. Like I said I can find circulated coins of 2005 that have more luster then the 2009's I have lying around. The ones in my safe are fine. Go figure.

 

As an added note to my last post. Coins could have come in contact with something when they were rolled. They are not from the mint. My wife got ten rolls at the local Walmart. She saw the railsplitters when she was in checkout, went to the service desk and got ten rolls. I took them to one of the Sept meetings of our coin club and gave them out to the junior members. You would have thought it was Christmas.

 

I also see a lot of 2008 pennies with spotting.