96 Kopecks 1757 Livoesthonica I happen to lay hands to this coin recently. This is my first coin of (seemingly) numismatic proportions. Could you please help me to identify the value of this coin? You help is greatly appreciated.
Coin for the Baltic provinces of Russia. 96 kopecs 1757.(livonez). Silver 26,67 gram. In F-VF condition (beautiful patina). Uzd.№42220, B№627(R), Diakov#605(R2). 6 rubles according to Il'in. Rare. Number 121: http://www.gelos.ru/2005/may/28.05/numizmat2-eng.shtml
Thank you for the prompt answer! that looks great. How do you estimate condition of this coin? It is better than F-VF?
Well, if it's authentic, I would say it's high grade XF. It looks like there is some rub on the upper portion of the bust, toward the temple... could be AU. From the look of the coin, I would say the detail in the hair locks is probably a high relief... that's a guess. And that looks real full and original.
I'm Sorry, I just copied what was on the link that was provided, and Yes your coin looks wonderful compaired to the one on the site.
could very well be. I would weigh it, and have it checked over by an expert - if you can find one for this type of issue. In any event, I would have it looked over by an expert in coins.
Welcome to the forum Albanets. It's very interesting to compare your photos to those on the auction Corbster posted: Aside from the fact that yours is far better centered, and has much clearer denticles, the overall detail is quite a bit better, with the sole exception of the "9" in the denomination. Is yours damaged at that spot? It appears that your coin is listed in Krause, under Livonia & Estonia, Russian Administration, as a "Novodel" (Die Trial), either N11, N12, N13 or N14 - all silver, with 1757 dates. The descriptions are: N11 - Cinquefoil and globe edge. Struck from original dies. N12 - Die Moscow Ruble MM [and a cyrillic character]. Oblique milled edge. N13 - Die St. Petersburg Ruble C [and two cyrillic characters]. Oblique milled edge. N14 - Die St. Petersburg Ruble C [and two cyrillic characters]. Plain milled edge. For the Novodels Krause has a column for "Mkt Value", with no amounts! What kind of edge does your coin have?
Roy, thank you very much for the quote. Good find, really. As for the edge, it looks like this (see attached pic).
Clearly an oblique milled edge, so it's either N12 or N13. I can't see a mintmark in your photos. It may be very tiny, or in a shadowy area of your picture. If you can find it, the Moscow mark is "MM" plus a character that resembles the symbol "pi", with outward curving legs and a bar across the bottom. St. Petersburg's mark is a "C" followed by a character resembling a straight-legged "pi" and one that looks more or less like an "S" with a straight vertical line at the left edge.
Livonia & Estonia. Livonia is now part of the Republic of Latvia.Estonia is an independent state in its own right.96 Kopecks is a very odd denomination.The Russians had a lot of very odd denominations. Aidan.
HELP! Some people raised doubts about authenticity of this coin. I have carefully compared 2 coins pics in Photoshop and found some differences... Is it really fake???? Say, for example, eagles on my coin do not have pronounced tonges. There are differences in letters (especially in "O") and so on. Or it could be just different marks (Moscow vs S. Petersberg)?????
I think we've already gone as far as it is possible to go, based solely on a picture being analyzed by non-experts in 18th Century Russian coinage. Your coin appears to be struck, not cast as are most counterfeits/forgeries. There are no obvious major discrepancies between yours and the other one we have looked at - and about which we have no solid assurances of genuineness - and minor discrepancies in letter formation, design detail, etc., are common with older coins stamped from multiple dies. IMHO you now have three choices: Spend the bucks and send it to a major grading service for authentication (Many people consider ANACS to be among the best for this purpose) Locate a true expert on coins of that area and time period and pay his/her fees for examining and certifying the coin (Perhaps one of the major auction houses could recommend someone) Just enjoy having it in your collection, and let your heirs worry about its authenticity
Hi Roy, sorry I panicked. Should do my homework before getting into this business. I will try to stay calm and act respectively. Findind coin expert in local area would be the best choice, I presume. Thank you for comments!
