Is this a doubled die?

Just checking through some of my mint sets, and found this quite by accident. Would these initials be considered a doubled die?

 

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Probably not - looks like machine doubling

 

I think I would agree with that. It has the shelf-like appearance which is a good sign that it is MD.

 

I would say yes, because if you look at the base of the "f" on the first photo(upside down one) there is definite seperation.

 

Separation? Can you indicate where? I don't see any separation anywhere on the "F". The letters all show signs of machine doubling.But, it is nice to have other opinions, so lets just see what others say.hya:

 

I don't see anything that would indicate doubled die. It appears to be
MD. The separation is too flattened to be a doubled die. When the hubbing is impressed off target on the second time with the working die ( doubled die), it generally goes almost to the same depth, and thus on the coin impression would be to the same height.

This is the easiest to see. Notice how where the impressions overlap, the height is so close to the same, they merge. Now imagine the same , only a much smaller spread, and you can see how the edge would look if a doubled die.



Jim

 

Here is a harder one to see in photo, but with a scope is easy to tell from a MD. 1909VDB DDO.

 

Right here. Wish I had a high-res to work with though.

 

Don't want to bore you, so here are 2 last ones, easy one 1972/72 die #1





And a 1936 DDO.

 

Seperation doesn't have to be as drastic as the '55. It can be as little as this:

 

That's true, but this photo doesn't look as flattened as the Original coin. I can see the point you arrow on your blowup, and perhaps it is rounded enough to indicate a DD, but I can't resolve it well enough to agree myself. I've been wrong before, so it wouldn't shock me, but I still think it is a MD.

Jim

 

First of all There's an orange peel effect on the fields near the initials which indicates to me it's Die deterrioration doubling. sorry i don't see any indication of hub doubling on your coin
Frankie Boy

 

MD on proof or satin issues can be deceiving. The flattened areas, what appear doubled, sometimes retains part of the cameo or satin surface instead of the typical metal flow lines. As pointed out, the area is lower (sometimes very low), there are no notches and the design does not increase in size like a doubled die.

On the example below, you might see what I mean:

 

Great work everyone. I really learned some valuable info just now. Thank you much. Very nice pics. zeke:thumb: