Help with maybe double die and Vam on a 1922 Peace Dollar

Here's a 1922 peace dollar that I don't know if it's a double die or not on the date and it also has a die crack from the G in God we trust to the neck place. I need help to tell me what vam this is I get so frustrated I want to know please help me.

Thank you Brad

 

Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.

Why is nobody helping me on here?
Brad

 

The pictures are small, especially the first one, it's hard to tell. What do you think it is? A die break or DDO?

 

I don't know I need help with it i will try and enlarge the pics ok.
Thanks Brad

 

Sorry, just getting to this. I have to agree with Abacus coins here. What do you see? What is the mint mark if any?
Here's a site that might help.
http://www.vamworld.com/1922-P+VAMs

 

What i see is like a line going through the G of God to the neck area and the doubling looks like machine doubling could you help me to see what vam it is . Could this be a vam with a die crack and machine doubling is there a listing for that.
Thanks for well some help.:thumb:
Brad

 

Without clearer pictures the best I can do is; maybe a Vam 2AN or a Vam 2BB.

 

I don;tthink neither one of the the vams you posted is my coin what about the machine doubling doesn't that make it a new vam i thought machine doubling counts as a vam listing to?

So what vam could it be with both machine doubling on the date and a die crack running from the G in God to the neck area doesn't that make it fall in a different cataglory as a new vam with the both errors on it ?

That's why i don't think it's neither one of the ones you posted.

Thanks anyway for your help much apreciated
Brad

 

Since machine doubling is damage and not part of the die it probably wouldn't be listed. But that's just an opinion.

 

No, machine doubling would not be considered in determining the VAM. The VAM # is the combination of a specific obverse die and a specific reverse die used in striking the coin. Later the use of suffixes for things such as clash marks appeared such as 1A, etc. Now with the greater interest, ( and greater financial rewards) there are even double suffixes, or possible even more, identifying die markers, but the "root" VAM number should be the same.

And you are correct, it is MD.

Jim

 

Well I went back to vam world and there is a seperate listing for machine doubling itis considered a vam ,Vam 2
I was right.

The only thing there's not a Vam listed for the both combinations on the coin with the die crack ,and the MD ,The die crack is listed as a seperate Vam also.Vam 2AN

I guess the Vam world looks at Md as an important thing to list it speratetly as a Vam,

So I still don't know what vam my coin is with Both MD and the Die crack i guess there has to be a new Vam number refered to this coin .

I think my coin should be listed as 2CP machine doubling on the date ,and a die crack running from The G in God to the neck area
Thanks for trying to help me eveybody
Brad

 

I do not see anything as far as doubled die goes ,the die crack is just a die crack,

I do not see anything as far as doubled die goes and the die crack is just a die crack, these are very common on Peace $'s.
Just in case you do not know yet and for your help the term is "doublED die" not just "double" - it makes a big difference in the understanding of die varieties, ie: the die was doubled during hubbing.

 

As the photos are to small, it is hard to tell about the die crack, Here is my 1922 Peace dollar.

Definition: Mechanical doubling, also called machine doubling or strike doubling, a form of doubling which appears on a coin and is easily confused with doubled die strikes. On a true doubled die coin, the doubling comes from a mistake in the process used to make the coin die itself. In mechanical, or machine doubling, the doubled image results from mechanical issues during the striking of the coin, such as the coin shifting during striking, or the die itself being jarred out of position as a result of vibration or improper coin press maintenance. Mechanical, machine, and strike doubling are all considered by purists to be forms of damage, and are therefore not collectible as an error coin.

 

I read somewhere that machine doubling was considered an error that's what is confussing to me, but i do honestly don't remember were somebody with a big name guy said this ,well thank you very much fior your great pictures Cherrykubuko
Brad

 

It is hard sometimes because everyone has a hand in what is errors or not, I felt the same way as you, any error from the mint of any kind is an error , Good Luck Cheryl

 

This may help
http://dmplvam.com/VAM/1922/

 

Thanks Jello That's a great site I finally confirmed that there's a Vam 2 which is machine doubling they list it with that number very interesting check it out and go through the 1922P vams to the left of your screen.
Thanks for that great info the best info i received yet on here.:hug:
Brad

 

Your welcome here the hole link
www.ashmore.com/ vamupdate

 

But look how much you are leaving out.

But look how much you are leaving out.
any error from the mint of any kind is an error ,???

Of course on the surface this is correct but it does nothing to further education in the least. Given your theory every single coin would be an error because every single coin has a defect, well 99.9999% of them anyway. That explanation helps us little.

An error that has value on the other hand is a coin that was not (by mint standards) supposed to get out. That's what makes them collectible and valuble. The very fact that if given the chance the mint would not have allowed the coin to get coin out and it did not meet production standards.
It's about how much did not meet production standards that creates it's value and how few of them have been made and "let out".
Many on here wonder about a "what's an error" and "what's not" believe me you will know when you find one 99% of the time.
Instead of nit-picking every little thing you see why not get "The Error Coin Encyclopeidia" by Margolis or many other books and learn what one is
and why it's collectible and rare and thus valuble.
When you make a statement like "every error is a mint error" I feel like we are back in the dark ages and still clubbing our women.
Also when you see members on here that know more than most, have studied long and hard, are respected and have contributed greatly to the hobby why not learn how to listen to them - they may not always be right but they probably forgot more than most of the folks on here ever knew. To demand hury up answers, challenge experts and make staements that say nothing contributes little except to add confusion and dissent. It also quite quickly shows your own hand and does nothing to further your (respected) future here.

 

No, you are not right.

That is just an example of machine doubling which they show on a 1922-P VAM 2. If you go down the list, you will see the VAM2 as it really is, normal dies, with no Machine Doubling. Machine doubling is not a normal identifying characteristic of any coin, including the Peace $.

Jim