Hi all, it's been a while since I've posted any new Indian cents from my collection. I purchased several newps at the last Long Beach show but Todd has been working hard photographing a huge collection and was just now able take pictures of my little group of newps. I'll post a couple each day so I can drag out my delight in showing them off. (FYI, I'm posting the same ones on the CU forum at the same time.) I bought both of these 1885 Indian cents at the Long Beach show but I haven't decided which one I'm keeping for my personal set. If you can ignore the holders (especially you PCGS elitists!) and just look at the coins themselves, please tell me which one you like best!
Some people think the interest in naturally toned coins is a fad. No way ! Who wouldn't love those coins ? It's not like the bright red ones have disappeared. Toned vs. non-toned... they aren't mutually exclusive. You can have it all !
they are both beautiful coins. i think i am leaning towards the first one out of the two as my favorite. :thumb:
Charmy , the 64 is by far the better , strike is better , and I like the toning better , edited . rzage
I like the PCGS coin better (and not just bc it's in a PCGS holder). These two coins present the frustration/confusion that copper always gives me: the RB coin looks more brown to me than the BN coin does. In any event, nice pick-ups -- enjoy whichever one you keep.
That's because it is. And that is exactly the reason why NGC would not guarantee copper for the longest time. Yeah, they do now for 10 years, but that policy has only been in effect for a few years. Full mint red and red brown coins turn into brown coins in the slab all the time. It is extremely common. Of course the two grading companies don't always assign that designation with, shall we say, the same vigor. I like the first far more Charmy :thumb:
Doug is right in that copper often turns from red to red brown to brown, even if they were red at the time they were certified in the holder. And as far as the designations on these two coins, I agree both are technically "brown" but sometimes TPG's will sort of split the difference in grading especially when a coin has extra-ordinary luster and eye appeal. I've seen them give a really pretty lustrous brown or bluish toned coin an MS64 RB designation even though that coin might technically grade MS65 BN and vice versa.
Doug , I have a proof Indian cent RB , it's in a NGC slab thats inside an Intercept shield Box inside another IS storage box with dessicants , do you think a properly stored coin will turn completely brown , and how long are we talking . rzage
I know I'm not Doug, but I think I can also answer that question. Copper will naturally turn brown over time, but depending on how it is stored will determine when. The darker more dry location, the longer it will take to tone towards brown (we're talking years). Most red coins you see that have not been "played" with were most likely kept in rolls or in a dark place like a safe deposit box and did not see much light over the years. So if you keep your coins in a dark dry place, and hardly ever look at them, they will retain whatever red remains for a longer period of time, meaning many years.
Thanks , Charmy in the four years Ive had it , it's been stored as said and I haven't noticed it change , some people have told me storing a slab in a Intercept Shield slab box and then in another Intercept Shield box with dessicants is overkill , but I'd rather be safe than sorry . rzage:thumb:
God help us all (and my pocketbook!) if I start a second set! One complete date set - both Indians and Lincoln wheats, with some neat errors and varieties thrown in) will be plenty for me and my budget. Remember, I'm also a dealer, so it's hard enough wanting to keep all the best coins for myself, yet try to make a living as well!
