What do CoinTalk member think of this sellers tactics??? Under thread "isn't this mechancial" we have a member who states he is not decieving anyone when he readily admits he is offering 1955 "poor mans doubled die's" as just "double dies" on eBay (leaving the poor mans doubled die out) so he can attract more buyers than listing it correctly as PMDD. So CoinTalk people I'll leave it up to you. Is it deceptive? Is he not even admitting a deceptive motive?
You can't be sued for calling a duck a duck especially when the duck says, You can't be sued for calling a duck a duck especially when the duck says, well yes I'm a duck but not really.
I haven't seen the actual auction, but I think as long as he describes what it is in the description it's ok. If people want to buy something without taking the ten seconds to read about it, then it's their loss. Besides, isn't the "poor mans doubled die" still technically a doubled die? If so, how's it wrong? Guy~
It's deceptive and it's wrong and no, they are not a doublED die at all, It's deceptive and it's wrong and no, they are not a doublED dies at all, they are a coins struck from an overused, overpolished worn out die. If the advertising practices try to decieve knowinging and with the sponcers admittance of such "how can it be right"? It's one thing not to know - it's another entirely to go ahead with an acknowledged admisson of deception!
Also if a man readily admits he is decieving on purpose how could you say he is not One more thing: Also if a man readily admits he is deceiving on purpose how could you say he is not, he admits it, that's the reaosn he did it, he said so "to draw in more people". He states, "so more buyers would look at his auction" - in other words so they would "first not be aware". Reminds me of a Govt. Official, well yes I did, but really no I didn't, well, it's this way or that way or who the ^*@# really knowns. You do not have to look at his auction on eBay just look at what he himself stated in the thread I mentioned.
Can you provide a link, please? It sounds as if he might be violating Ebay's keyword spam policy, by including something in the listing title that does not apply and which is designed to attract hits to the listing.
Its wrong, actually sad. Some people will do anything for a dollar. Die deterioration IS NOT the same as Double Die.
That's the key, right there. How can anyone make a judgment without seeing the listing ? This thread is hearsay. Let's see the hard facts. Also the link to the CT thread, please.
This can't be about my auction. Mine says 'poor man's' in the title. I can't put a link, but spockbob.com may have more information.
Perhaps it's one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-LINCOLN-DO...dual?hash=item33560c9b7e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 http://cgi.ebay.com/WOW-RARE-BU-195...dual?hash=item3ca5c18d3c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 http://cgi.ebay.com/WOW-RARE-1955-D...dual?hash=item4149186ce8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
The way I'm reading the OP, yes, that does seem to be deceptive. Like Mark, I'd like to see the auction before passing judgment.
I have done so and invite anyone else who is interested to do the same. I also contacted the sellers.
This is similar to the AT/NT idea of putting coins into a cardboard album to tone. What is the intent. In the above ads, when you look at their other listings, it is plain that they are well aware of what they are listing and intended to pick or leave out certain wording. But to go to the other end of the scale, do we expect an ad that says " This is only a 1955/5 Poor Man's deteriorated die "Doubled Die", not the real one, this one is just worth $1.00 but I want $5.00 or more for it. This is peanuts when one sees how much money the public and new collectors lose to the Coin World, Coinage, NN, etc., Big page-Big time dealers that advertise and sell BU coins when they darn well know they are AU. I bet almost every collector at one time ( nearly 40 years ago for me, Mount Vernon Ad) has fallen trap to this. Subjective wording compared to subjective grading. You can be passionate for or against it, but you can not eliminate it. When the chance is that you will get taken by old time firms, what chance is there in any auction venue unless you have the knowledge to determine grade or validity yourself. I get flustered when I see an ad for a 1972 Lincoln Doubled Die, where the TPG label states only FS# 33.52, and it is not noted as being Die #2, and many sellers have a no return policy on TPG slabbed coins. Jim
