I am a WW2 Artifact Collector. I recently started to post my collection in an online catalog. http://r3.myphotos.cc/ww2-study/index.html and I have three notes that I believe to be soviet, but none of my reference books have these in them. Does anyone know for sure which nation and time frame these belong to. http://r3.myphotos.cc/ww2-study/unknown/ The above link is an index of the unknown notes I have. The ones with the TN prefix are smaller in size and are ideal for you to view. Thanks for your help guys
They are 1938 State Treasury Notes from the C.C.C.P.(U.S.S.R.). So in summary, they are from Russia. Technically before WWII, but just barely.
Any more specifics available? Can you please supply what catalog and catalog # I may be able to use to get documentation of this for reference? As I said I use several and these notes aren't listed in any of them. Also, what unit of measure were these in? Rubles?
You will find them listed in the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money. They are P-213, P-214 and P-215 under Russia in Volume II of the SCWPM. Because these were issued prior to WWII, you will not find them in WWII Remembered. They are rubles.
Thank you both for such complete answers. SCWPM is a catalog that I do not have, but I should pick up. I looked it up and it seems to be in three volumes? Stone Age - 1300s, 1300s-1960s, then 1960s-present. Any complaints on the series? I have a few Krause World Coin catalogs and I have found wide spans of items missing, is this the case with these catalogs? Are the older catalogs (V1, V2) updated annually? and if so, is it worth getting the most up to date one or should I save the 40 bucks and get the 2006 edition?
You could probably get by with the 2006 edition. Vol. I and II are not updated annually. Volume I is the specialized catalog. It is not date specific and includes regional and non-government issues such as private banks. Volume II contains government issues until 1960. Volume III is government issues after 1960. They are not perfect but they are the only general survey of world notes.
Boy did he say it right lol The krauss books are far from perfect ... but same can be said of any numismatic publication. The books are, however, the BEST general source of world note information. As much as i complain about the books from time to time, there really is NO substitute. There is a competeing book in the works, but it is being put together by a guy who is very busy, and i believe working on the project alone.
Thank you, i was struck by them being UNC too when I found them. So let me get this straight, as I am still without the SCWPM, during the war the soviet union didn't print any paper money. I know some of the "states" did, but the nation did not, correct?
im not really sure to tell you the truth lol i get a bit confused looking at the soviet listings ... kind of like germany and all the different currency/bank changes they went through.
It is probable that the 1938 dated notes were also printed during the war as they needed some form of currency. My comment about these notes not being listed in WWII Remembered relates to the fact that the authors chose not to list notes in the book that were part of a series that were issued prior to the war but may have been issued during the war unless there was some change to the note or other connection relating directly to the war. Here is an example. The US printed notes for the Philippines that were dated and issued in 1941 prior to December 7. These notes are not listed in the book. During the war, special notes from this series were printed and used in US Navy aviators survival packets. Other notes from the 1941 and 1936 series of Philippine notes were printed and artificially aged. These notes were smuggled into the country to pay operatives in the Philippines. Both of these types of notes can be identified by serial number. These notes are in the book. There are some Russian POW notes (extremely scarce), specimen examples of Japanese Invasion Money intended for Russia, notes issued by the German backed government of the Ukraine and others. There are also notes issued by the Russians for use in other countries like the Red Army notes for Hungary, Manchuria and North Korea.
