Artifical toning, forum members, and PCGS slabs.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Leadfoot, Sep 9, 2009.

  1. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    But Doug, that would be based on a higher grade that resulted from the dipping, And that higher grade would be the result of the removal of toning, film, whatever, that was masking the surfaces and their appearance. That's a far cry from increasing the value by covering flaws with toning and or adding a substance to the surfaces.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I do not disagree in the least. I was merely pointing out that it has happened.

    By the same token, would you disagree that there have been plenty of cases where a coin got a grade bump because it had pleasing toning ?

    My only point being that with toning and dipping - both have resulted in a coin getting a higher grade than it would have otherwise.
     
  4. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Now why would I ever want to do something like that to a nice guy like you? :D

    PS: I note your points, though, Rusty, although I didn't reference them, above...
     
  5. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I'll take these upside-down. The bottom paragraph was a response to Doug, not you. For the record, you neither said nor implied that.

    Now the top paragraph. This is really a very collateral issue. I see it as the same kind of deception, and you don't. Let's get back to the heart of the matter. You'll forgive my abruptness, I trust, I just got back from a wake...

    I’ll tell you the difference that makes a difference, Mark. It’s that, on dipped coins, you’re looking at the coin, to determine that. Same goes for counterfeit coins, for that matter. You’re looking at the coin, itself. On toned coins, you’re rather taking your eye off the coin, and putting it on looking for a motive. There's the key word, there. And, why is that? It’s precisely because you can’t define these terms, AT and NT, on anything better than motive. Now, what does that mean? It means, to do it right, we're talking about lie detector tests, we're talking about going through chains of coin ownership, tracing those coins all the way back to the U.S. Mint, if you will, in order to determine AT. That's a tough row to hoe, my friend... ;)
     
  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Whoa, Paul, this is fascinating! If anybody figures this darn thing out, it's going to be you, I predict!

    No, I'm serious. If I ever want to buy a toned coin, I'm going to consult you on what you think of the toning, first. I mean it. :)
     
  7. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    I absolutely would NOT (dis)agree;)
     
  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Thanks Eddie. I am actually a little surprised that my post did not spark some more debate.:confused:

    BTW. I you ever want to buy a toned coin, you can always check with me to see what I have available.;)
     
  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You know, all kidding aside, I think I would. Not for me, realistically-speaking, but for the kids I've been giving my coins to. I'm made, they're on the make. ;)

    PS: Especially seeing as how I can get that standard 75% CT member-discount (...now there I am kidding, Paul, of course :D).
     
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