The World's First Nickel

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Ardatirion, Sep 15, 2009.

  1. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I've been patiently waiting to find one of these for quite some time. Its one of the first nickel coins ever struck, made in the Hellenistic kingdom of Baktria in the 2nd century BC. Some numismatists believed that the nickel in these coins was recovered from meteors. (I'm not convinced, but its a neat story) After these issues were made in Baktria, no nickel coins were struck again until the 19th century.

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    Euthydemos II
    Kingdom of Bactria
    NI double unit – 7.37 g., 22mm
    185-180 BC
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    Tripod, monogram to inner left
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  3. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS

    Awesome coin, with an interesting background!


    stainless
     
  4. north49guy

    north49guy Show me the Money

    Wow that is really neat! Congrats on the pickup!:thumb:
     
  5. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Neat coin and cool story. I belive the metal is recovered from meteors.
     
  6. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    From Wikipedia...

    Interesting thread! Do you think they knew this was nickel or do you think they were fooled into thinking it was silver?
     
  7. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    It circulated as a low-denomination double unit (we don't know the actual name). I believe I read, on Doug Smith's page if I recall, that these were made in an alloy of 25% nickel 75% copper, same as modern nickels.
     
  8. kevcoins

    kevcoins Senior Roll Sercher

  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    thats cool. congrats on finding it!
     
  10. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Wow...interesting! Thanks!
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Mine is not as old (171-160 BC) but will serve as an example of the other nickel type (Panther) available. This is Agathokles but matching coins exist with the name of his brother Pantaleon. I have no idea where these stood in value compared to the silver coins but the workmanship suggests that the silver was higher and bronzes lower. They are not particularly rare but most seen have terrible surfaces and low price guarantees an ugly coin.
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  12. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Arda...Thanks for the info. As they said at the end of the movie "Maltesse Falcon" "This is the stuff dreams are made of" Traci :eek:
     
  13. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

  14. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    It's the first time I hear of ancient coins made of Nickel. Why not ?
    Interesting info.
    Thanks for sharing

    Q
     
  15. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    I had never heard of it being used for coinage prior to about the mid 19th century - due to difficulties in isolating it from other elements.

    I do have to wonder if it was intentional, or rather in the case of China above, where it was believed to be white copper?
     
  16. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    Nickel is commonly found in meteorites and places where meteorites have hit earth long ago so its not at all odd to think it was taken from a meteorite. It is thought that a large percentage of the nickel found on earth got here that way.
     
  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    alloy

    This reference mentions some of the possibilities but I'm not willing to accept things written just because they are from a lofty source.
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1953Metic...1...60B

    The article discounts the likelihood of meteoric origin a position which I now accept but it goes on and says that the Baktrians may have supposed the material to be silver because they made similar coins from silver. That statement makes me question any assertion by the author. Show me a silver coin of either type. Show me a Baktrian silver type struck in nickel alloy.

    Applying the same nonscientific method to the question, I tend to believe that the Baktrians would not have valued nickel so lowly or alloyed the material with terrestrial copper if it were important to them that the metal was from the heavens. There is no significant copper in meteorites.

    For our purposes as collectors it makes no difference where the Baktrians got the metal. It was an experiment that failed to convince them to continue rather like the first milled silver under Elizabeth I was not the immediate end of hammered coins. Today, we are living in a time where many people have trouble telling silver from nickel or just don't care. Projecting that view on the Baktrians does not strike me as wise.
     
  18. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    So they have roughly 20% nickel? A large percentage of Nickel on earth is thought to be from Meteors...even if they didnt find a meteor and use the nickel in it to strike coins, there is a very big possibility that any nickel that is used in anything might come from this source...I dont see how they could discount it.
     
  19. Art

    Art Numismatist?

    New information for me. Thanks for sharing. It appears to be a very well defined coin given the age and the toughness of the metal.
     
  20. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    In the fifties when that article was written, some scientists were still unconvinced that Meteor Crater in Arizona was a meteor crater. Today we are seeing thousands of healed craters all over the world. I see a different question here if the Baktrians refined nickel that happened to be there from a meteoric event long before or whether they picked up known objects from the sky for use in coins. I believe current scholarship is moving toward meteoric attribution of more and more minority elements on the earth's surface. I'm no geologist.
     
  21. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Doug - do you have any more up to date articles on this? SO much new information has been uncovered on Baktrian coins that I would doubt validity of anything before the 1980's regardless of the author.
     
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