1924-S Lincoln

Anyone want to guess what this would grade? It is raw and the seller says that the reverse is probably full red. Obviously, it is not the strongest strike, but it is a 24-S. I am guessing 62RB with a fair shot at 63. Any comment welcome.

 

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Wow Dick! That is one kick butt 24 S.
This, 21-S and 26-S are my favorites by far. And this one is awesome. I love the die cracks on the reverse and if they weren't there I would say MS 64. Ill stick with 63 RD

 

I got a 26-S also. Both from Numiscent. The 26-S is kind of ugly, but it is mostly red and I am pretty sure neither have been cleaned. I will post the 26-S later.

 

Do you have any closer pics?

 

Click on them. They are 500X500. But, none closer. Those are the sellers pix.

 

Dick, I looked at both of those coins myself, but I thought they might be colored somehow, just looked a little off. But when you get them in hand, it will be easier for you to see if they are OK. His coins are usually OK, but either the photography or the color is a little off in my vision.

Jim

 

This was my first thought as well.

As far as the grading goes the hits on Lincoln would keep it down to 62-63 IMO. for the color designation it really depends on if it looks natural in hand.

 

I trust Tom enough to know that even if I think things are not what they are supposed to be, I know he will make it right.

 

I have bought a few coins from him and the minute I zoomed in on the photos I though "Numiscent". I used to check his website all the time as he takes good photos, but a lot of them seem recolored (high end recolored by someone very good it). He ususally states the coins were recolored but not always. Anyway, very nice coin. Are you trying to get it graded? 50/50? to me but they are silly, picky right now.

 

Tom @ Numiscent......

I have sold and traded a few high enders with this guy. 3-4-5 K coins......
He has made every deal right by me and is straight up, but if this is an Ebay purchase, be on alert as that tends to be dumping ground for problems. Dont judge the seller, judge the coin.

:thumb:

EDIT
I hate it, but I have to add this. Why is it raw?

 

In looking at the website, it does seem that some of the coins sold by Tom look too good to be true... and if they were true then it would seem that a reasonable seller would have them put in plastic to maximize the potential for a sale and profit.

That said, I've dealt woth Tom on one occasion and it went very well. Though I was not buying a raw coin, I was buying a Lincoln cent that was already PCGS certified, the 1909-S MS66RD in my 1909 registry set.

 

Nice one rlm's cent!!!

 

I don't disagree with AJ and RLM. I think Tom is a great guy (don't personally know him but had communications with him through some eBay purchases that were very nice). Just giving my observations. I own some recolored coins, and hoping they tone down in my album but very slow and sometimes they turn weird colors. Two questions for anyone:1. What do people recolor copper with- what products do that (don't worry I would never try except on junk)2. RLM- what did you buy these 2 coins for (including the 26 S- could you post photos of it?)? I mean to say how do you store them? Do you have a seperate raw collection that you intend to keep raw. I know your up there on the NGC registry. I have 3 ways I am collecting Lincolns (graded, Dansco album, and in IS 2x2's in Eagle pages in an binder)I think this coin looks like a 64 RD recolored.Thanks Boss

 

I am running 3 sets of Lincolns, but without regard to slabbing or raw although #1 has nearly all the wheats slabbed and #3 is mostly raw, but they are sorted by quality. I am hoping these 2 will slab. If they do not, both will probably go back.

Here are the pix of the 26-S. Tom says that it is mostly to all red and the hole in his face is a "planchet irregularity".

 

I think the 26 S looks great. Keep us posted. I hope they grade

 

Yes a fair shot at 63 RB from the photos I see.

Yes a fair shot at 63 RB from the photos I see and almost a 64 - many cents in this era come with strikes like yours, nice coin!

 

IMHO this OP's coin has undergone "cleaning" .

 

Hey guys, I just happened to glance at the forum tonight in my free time (Sorry that I seldom do.) I'll gladly chime in and help clear up a lot of the guesswork involved when only having photos to view. I read all of the posts up to this, so if I miss something critical in my answer, just point it out to me and I'll address it.

Both coins are in the weak strike / possibly altered, possibly original / "just ok" category that a lot of my recent S mints on eBay have fallen into. I don't see signs of cleaning on either. I'm not positive about the state of color on either one.

Sometimes coins can be obviously recolored, whether they are pale pink from being dipped or even if amazing looking coins "pumpkin" blazing red gems. Other coins are unmistakably original. Then there are a bunch in between. When talking early raw Lincolns, there are a LOT in between. These are two of them.

If I thought they were definitely original, I may have considered having them slabbed (probably MS62 or so due to the softness). Or maybe I'd try to sell them raw, pricing them a little lower than slabbed would bring, in exchange for avoiding the headache that is submitting copper coins to PCGS or NGC. In that case I would stress that I think they are totally original, which would be the big selling point.

You may wonder why don't I explain all of this in my auction description if I think they might not be original in color. There are several reasons. One, if there's a chance that they are original, I'm doing the coin's more harm than they deserve. I always list in my auction descriptions that a coin is definitely or likely recolored if I think it is. People appreciate the honesty and it doesn't hurt me. That brings me to the second reason...I think it's assumed that most raw early Lincolns from the branch mints are probably raw for a reason. The low prices they bring surely reflect that! I also assume that when I buy them, and it quickly becomes so commonplace that without realizing I just assume it's generally accepted. Of course they are not all altered, but I don't think I'm delivering any news by saying it comes with the territory.

Back to these coins in question. Both have mint luster, which is the single hardest thing for me to find for both a raw 24-S and raw 26-S. So when I see that, I immediately think "bonus" and want them. Then if I see hairlines or other evidence of abrasive cleaning, I decide do I want to sell this and mention the hairlines, or do I want to pass? Nothing of the sort stood out to me on these, so my thought was to offer them. These dates are slim pickings and even a not-so-pretty 26-S with mint luster has appeal to me both as a collector and as a dealer.

These are the thoughts that go through my head, more so than simply "is it original or not" or "will it slab or not." You will surely drive yourself crazy playing that game with S mint Lincolns from the teens and twenties!

Hope that helps. I must have missed some of those great points brought up. I'll be glad to add more if asked.

 

I agree with a possible alteration, look at the 6 carefully...