What is wrong with this coin

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  1. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

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  3. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    The toning may be unnaturally introduced. Wait for other opinions or ideas. Mine is a guess. Nice looking coins though.
     
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  4. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    It means artificial toning/damaged. I would stay away from those coins. Just my opinion.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2021
  5. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    The seller has a number of coins very much like that, some slabbed as MS65
     
  6. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    I think this seller prpbably had a bunch , AT'd them (or tried) and submitted. PCGS took note im assuming
     
  7. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Per PCGS:
    "Environmental damage includes such problems as corrosion, excessively dark toning and verdigris. Most of these problems arise from improper storage, either in a humid, warm, or extremely bright environment, or from burial in the ground or in the sea"

    https://www.pcgs.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt6

    So the linked examples aren't necessarily artificial (they could have used "questionable color" in that case). PCGS believed they were excessively dark or had other signs of improper storage.
     
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  8. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Those coins are perfectly fine. That color on them is called “tarnish.” PCGS doesn’t like the way it looks. But it can’t say that because then it appears arbitrary. Now it appears it has half-a-brain and it’s really, really smart. So it’s detail environmental damage and we fall for it and let it go at that because they’re the pros and we’re the call it what you will...

    Buy it. Dip it out. “Oh my God, look, it’s market acceptable!” Or continue to take them seriously and play their little word game and let somebody obviously more perspicacious snap it up at a discount for that arbitrariness, there’s the choice, get on it.
     
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  9. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    I was going to write things I'm not 100% on and don't know personally myself.

    INSTEAD I will post links to what other people have wrote on other forums about these particular sellers.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1014566/anyone-familiar-with-mother-natures-showroom

    https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/407100-edynamicmarketing-getting-holdered-or-blasting-inside/

    I can dig further and further on this if I really wanted to, seems the sellers have years and years on ebay selling this type of thing. feel free to research them as much as you like on the internet, it's got a long history.

    my opinion on those two particular coins, under the toning, the coin is dead and lifeless, there isn't any luster left to them. Whatever the grade is, if they weren't details coins they would be worth like $30-$40, maybe $50 top end. Kind of high priced for a problem coin in my opinion.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2021
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  10. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    So he is a fraudster. It took me too long to figure it out and he is monopolizing that particular coinm the 1969 1000 Pesa FOA design. It is hard to find one that they do not sell.
     
  11. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    They know its ridiculous too.
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  12. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum


    still, selling it for $90.00??
     
  13. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    i sent a 30 dollar offer. im hoping he will find it insulting
     
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