1967 Lincoln One Cent

Thank You, Eddiespin They a great coins. I have never doubted you.

I have been searching for answers for error coins. I have found a few Please Read,

http://coinauctionshelp.com/page15.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_coin


I my opinion Coin damage is coin damage, except the 1955 one cent.

My question is . if a machine doubling is a damaged coins why not the follwing.

http://coinauctionshelp.com/page14.html

damaged is damaged ....... right.

Thank you Cheryl

 

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Cheryl, I have no idea why it is considered damaged, this thread is the first time I have seen it pointed out that way. In the last few years it would appear to me that most folks including professionals treat MD as a regular strike and grade it accordingly. To me it should fall into the list of errors that you linked. That's just my opinion and I would be curious what someone like Mark Feld thinks on this topic.

 

Me TOO. Thanks Cheryl

 

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article771.chtml PLease notice the date.

 

Yeah, I saw the date when I read it. That's why I mentioned in my original reply to the link that it is one persons opinion but it held more water since it was posted on PCGS's website.

 

I know what you mean. Cheryl

 

Machine doubling is damage. It even used to be called machine doubling damage until many professionals pointed out that that was redundant. We know it is damage so why say it is "damage damage" so to speak.

You may find it called an error because there was a whole generation of collectors influenced by the worst error book known to man that considered many junk coins to be errors when they were not.

machine doubling is damage done to a coin while the die hops, twists or chatters as the coin is struck. It can also occur as a coin is ejected from the die.

In any case a nice coin has the metal moved and damaged as a part of the strike.

Also, since machine doubling is within the tolerances set by the Mint, the U.S. Mint or most experts in the field agree that machine doubling is damage and is not an error. It will reduce the grade of a coin if it is slabbed.

The die scrapes the details of the coin and that's damage no matter how you slice it.

As far as Fleabay....most of the coins listed as Doubled Dies or incorrectly as double dies are coins that exhibit worthless machine doubling so gauging anything on these by using Fleabay is not the best idea. If junk sells, it's still junk

There are experts on Ebay that really do sell doubled dies that know what they are doing and the other less than knowledgeable folks listing and selling machine doubled coins are doing a disservice to coin collectors.

The question as to page14.html can easily be answered. None of the coins on that page fall within the acceptable specs set by the U.S. Mint. They are errors. Errors are outside the normal specs.

I hope that helps a little bit.

Thanks,
Bill

 

I do save the very pronounced MD's, they are cool to look at!

 

Bill, thanks for your explanation on why it is not considered an error. That clears a few things up in my mind. does not change the fact that they are fun to look at and collect.

 

I agree, they are fun to have, to a point I don't keep every example I come across or I would have a pile of coins bigger than I could store

I will admit to holding on to a few examples to be used as educational tools. They should always be marked as machine doubled so that they never enter the marketplace as doubled dies.

Have Fun,
Bill

 

Thank you Bill, I do understand what you are saying. Cheryl

 

That is why I would not even consider them. There are to many and for any of these coins to have any worth in this field. There should not be a lot of them. MDoubled coins are not worth crap unless they are so pronounced that it gives the coin more appeal than others.Otherwise it will depend on the individual.

 

MDoubled should not be confused with a Doubled Die, it should be Machine 'Doubling'.

 

Yes machine doubling and I would keep it. Nice to add to you collection.
Bob

 

Bill, I'm new to the board (and really new to searching out coins) I have a coin much like the one you have posted here in your avi, is it junk or a great find?

 

I don't think anyone would be confused about that. What would the "M" stand for? Many? Should I just use MD, or do I have to spell it out? How about MachineD? :rolling::rolling:

 

It's when machine doubling is refered to as MDoubled that it makes it confusing. It's not even close to be doubled, it's doubling. Just trying to keep things straight.

 

Hi,
The avatar shows one of my off center cents. They range in value, depending upon the date from less than $2.00 to usually not much more than $5.00. Of course, the condition and whether or not a date is visible helps to determine the value.

I hope that helps,

Bill