What did they collect way back when?

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  1. Goldstone

    Goldstone Digging for Gold

    What did they collect way back then? in the 1800's? did people even collect coins, or only ancients? did anyone even collect them?
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Pretty much the same thing collectors collect today - the coins of yesterday and the coins of today.

    Coin collecting has been around pretty much as long as coins have been around - since 1500BC-700BC. The reason it is called the Hobby of Kings is when it began only Kings could afford to be coin collectors. But eventually it got to the point that the nobility got into the act as well and everybody competed with each other to see who coould amass the nicest collection. People think that today's coin registries are something new. The only thing new about is that in todays world they do it on the internet. But the idea is definitely not new. Kings were competing with each other a thousand years ago.

    Many are also suprised to learn that one of the first books ever printed, not long after Guttenberg inventing the printing press, was a book on coins.

    So coin collecting is nothing new. There were a few collectors before then, but it began to gain popularity in the US in the 1850's. But it had already been going on for 2000 years before that.
     
  4. mcarney1173

    mcarney1173 Senior Member

    Great info, didn't know it started that early.
     
  5. krispy

    krispy krispy

    Have you seen a copy of this book? I imagine such a book now resides in a museum, private or rare books collection. Do you remember the title or is there anything written about it online that references it? Sounds very interesting. If the book had images of coins in reference they would have had to be engraved illustrations representing coin designs. I wonder how closely they were able to depict the coins if they were concerned in their day with quality and features of the coins themselves.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Haven't seen one one in person, but one was sold at auction a few years back. It was not cheap !
     
  7. krispy

    krispy krispy

    I bet it was pricey indeed! Thanks.
     
  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    His knowledge of metallurgy leading to making metal type fonts came from working with his parents who were goldsmiths and made coins. The Bible was his 2nd book and the coin book was his third as I remember from a biography excerpt.

    Jim
     
  9. krispy

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  10. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    I can not find any book on coins printed by Gutenberg.
     
  11. krispy

    krispy krispy

    Nor have I. I didn't think Doug meant Gutenberg printed a coin book in the earlier post. (Maybe he did, I could be wrong.) I wasn't sure about Jim's reference in full but the family were indeed goldsmiths who worked for and supplied gold to the churches mint. Gutenberg also printed a lot of other smaller things while working on the bible and other known projects so maybe there are books with specimens of coins attributed to him from that era/region. I'd like to know more if someone can provide any more information.
     
  12. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    GDJMSP does not want you to know he has that book. The main reason is not the value, it's the fact that he was standing there while it was being printed and got the first one.;)
    Note how he also is aware of how long coins have been being collected. Again, he was there.:D
     
  13. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Rulers and their families have indeed collected coins since coins have been around. But here in Europe, coin collecting among non-royals ;) became popular at the time of the Renaissance - still limited to those who could afford it, of course. Francesco Petrarca who lived in the 14c was a well known coin collector, mostly due to his interest in ancient Roman history.

    When humanist Hubert Goltzius, one of the first "scientific" numismatists, traveled in Western Europe in the mid-16th century, he learned about almost 1,000 coin cabinets in that area, with 200 in the German countries alone. And in 1729 Johann D. Köhler published the first issue of his "Münzbelustigungen", a weekly (!) coin journal. The last issue came out in 1750, five years before he died.

    Christian
     
  14. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    I know That John Adams the second president of the US, collected roman & greek coins. Traci :eek:
     
  15. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Coin collecting in the US was a little different in the 1800s than today. Before 1893 coins were collected by date or type. After an article was published in 1893 about mintmarks collectors became aware of mintmarks on coins and the low mintages of certain dates and mintmarks.
     
  16. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    He was the first to say that too, before old Walter . . .

    And you were there! :D

    And he probably printed the first one, that's why he was there. :hammer:

    Ribbit :cool:

    Ps: Here's a book on a collection that existed in 1901:

    http://www.ebookee.com.cn/Catalogue-of-the-valuable-collection-of-coins-and-medals-_250907.html

    It's English coins & medals but it's a good read anyways. ;)
     
  17. Mr. Coin Lover

    Mr. Coin Lover Supporter**

    Very interesting read and information. Is there really a good book on the history of coinage in the world? In the US? Got to start thinking about a Christmas present for the wife.
     
  18. HandsomeToad

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  19. TomCorona

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  20. Mr. Coin Lover

    Mr. Coin Lover Supporter**

    Okay, I can see this is going to be a Merry Christmas at my house following the advice I'm getting here.
     
  21. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose.

    Whitman just came out with a new book on Colonial coins that is destined to be the new standard. Before this, the standard was The Early Coins of America by Sylvester S. Crosby, published in 1875 and reprinted often. (Mine is from Quaterman 1983.)

    In the 1840s, gentlemen in Boston discovered how cheap Large Cents and Half Cents were to collect.

    During the 1790s, when merchant tokens circulated widely in England, one of the issuers and cataloguers was a draper named James Conder. From his catalog, we in America still call them "Conder tokens."

    This is outside my areas, but for US Large Cents, the standard works have all been modernized. Still, among them known to true collectors is one originally printed on hand-engraved copper plates. It has been reprinted and republished often.

    One of the reasons that there are three kinds of 1804 Dollars is that collectors in the 1850s heard that such things existed, and had the Mint make them more.

    Spink the UK coin dealer sets 1770-1772 as the origin of its numismatic trade, apart from money-lending and money-changing. Seaby (now bought by Spink) also dates to about the same time.
     
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