Krause on DVD

Hi - I wasn't sure if I should ask this in World Coins or General discussion so feel free to move my thread if necessary. I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Krause on DVD and if so your opinion. Is it as detailed, illustrated, etc? Thanks for any feedback you can offer.

 

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you can do a torrent search and try it out for free. I personally like the book much better.

 

I like free too , I have the books and the DVD's but nothing can beat the torrent .pdf simply because I can "copy past" information and pictures directly from the .pdf , The DVD does not let you do this.

My only complaint is that I was only able to find and download the 1901-2000 , the 2000 to pres and the 1801-1900... I would really like someone to seed the 1701-1800 eventually . I constantly look on torrent sites if anyone uploaded one, never found one yet.

 

pirated copies

I purchased the 1800-1900 & 1900-present discs from Krause at the ANA show. They were selling last year's discs for $5 each.

I mentioned the good deal to a few world coin enthusiasts but they were not interested as they already had their own pirated copies.

Very best regards,
collect89

 

I was curious about the legalities of this as well. If I bought the book, is it legitimate to download the PDF?

-Daniel

 

No, unless specified by the author (or owner of copyright).

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf

 

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions everyone. I will probably buy the DVD outright though; call me a chicken but there's just something about downloading a file from a website advertising as 'pirates' that makes me think I'm just asking for bad karma. I may surf a little more for a sale; I don't mind last year at a discounted price as my own books are at least 4-5 years old as it is. Thanks again all.

 

I am against stealing as well, just letting you know a way you can see if the DVD is right for you without spending money. I bought the book after trying the free way.

 

I bought the 3 disc DVD set and felt that it was well worth the money spent. I feel as though I have used it enough times to justify the money spent. A great reference that is a must have, especially if you don't have room for large books.

 

Have not seen that, and Krause does not have/list it, I think. I looked for 20/21c catalogs on CD/DVD, as I thought they would be a neat addition to my 2009 Schön world catalog, and replace my aging 2004 SCWC.

Well, what I saw at their website was a "Standard Catalog of World Coins 1901-2000 CD" (#Z5028, ~$22) and a "Standard Catalog of World Coins 2001-Date CD" (#Z5026, ~$35). Seems they don't let you "peek" inside. Well, maybe I can buy an older/used one here in Europe some time.

Christian

 

You area a thief...but I wont judge you...nice My mother burned me a copy of a book she bought on DVD...is she a dirty filthy thief?

 

Christian,
I just went into my office to verify what I had typed last night. You know how it is.....late night typing on CT and then the next morning you have to take the walk of shame. Anyway, these are indeed the 3 disc Krause DVD pack "Standard Catalog of World Coins 1801-1900, 1901-2001, 2001-Present. These were the 2008 editions. I purchased the 3 disc package as part of a promotion when I bought the Exact Change coin software. I think it ended up costing me about $30-35 for the discs which I felt was an incredible deal. (Maybe even less....I can't remember without looking) I did reconfirm, they are in DVD format as is the Exact Change software program.

I don't collect too many foreign coins, but for the ones that I do, this has been extremely helpful. I am glad that I purchased it.

 

Well, no. But what you did is just what many other people do with torrents. It is file-sharing. Someone buys the real deal, copies it and shares with other people that want to try it out. Even though you may have not gotten the book over the internet, you still did basically the same thing. I will admit that I do P2P all the time, but I do it to try something out to decide if I want to spend money on it. 95% of all that I have downloaded I have turned around and bought from a reputable source. Also there are many things that you can download from torrent sites that are entirely legal to file-share, like the many Linux distributions for one.

edit - And just to add, in several countries, including Canada, it is legal to download files via P2P. But it is illegal to upload.

 

Well, first, if you call it stealing then you are making a judgment. You are calling someone a thief. I think its a grey area myself. In my mothers case. she had a book on DVD which she owned, I needed some info off of it so she burned me a copy so I wouldn't have to buy it. She was doing me a favor so I would hesitate to call her a thief. If a person who has bought and owns something like a music disc, movie, or book decides to make a copy for a friend....I don't see that as paramount to walking into a store and stealing a DVD. I have often copied such things from friends and allow friends and family to copy music or movies I have ...I also record things off TV....and again...I don't necessarily think its the same as stealing.

I don't think I know anyone who hasn't duplicated something to give to someone else...So I guess I don't see making copies for people (not selling the copies) of something you own as stealing...maybe more like minor copyright infringement...I assume they call it that, and not 'stealing' because even the authorities see it as something different than stealing. But I have never been accused of having iron clad black and white morals...but if you have gone through life never having had someone copy something for you...good show!! You can judge me as a thief and a cad with a clear conscience and since it the internet, whether you have or you havent...who really knows but you.

 

Doug, I'm not saying it's not wrong, and you certainly have the liberty to judge if you think it is. However, saying it is the same as going into a store and stealing a CD is just as wrong.

Burning a CD you own for other than yourself infringes copyright, while stealing an item from a store actually makes the vendor incur in losses.

Also, unlike your judgement (apparently), the law is actually not that black and white - there is the letter of the law, and the intent of the law. The letter of the law says infringing copyright is a crime. The intent of the law says it's OK for Dru's mom to make a copy of an e-book for him, and it's not grave enough to send her to jail for that. This distinction also occurs in other types of situations.

Finally, and this is more of an excuse than anything else, piracy sent a very strong message to these companies - perhaps their techniques and prices simply weren't au par with the times. The record companies (and others) took this message very seriously and found alternatives that are currently being as profitable (if not more) as the records sale. Think about it: a kid may download 30 music albums in a week. If he didn't have the chance to do it, would he buy those albums? 15? Even 3? I don't think so. But he may listen to them and end up buying the originals of the stuff he likes the most. It's not farfetched, it has happened to me and to everyone I know, pretty much. It has happened to other people in this thread too, apparently. Well, now you don't have to "steal" - you can download a couple of tracks for a couple of bucks and decide then if you want the album.

I apologize for going off topic. I know this is supposed to be about coins.

 

Seems the laws about copyright and fair use are different in different countries. Here in Germany for example, private copies are basically legal, provided certain conditions are met. This also includes giving a physical or digital copy to a friend. On the other hand, the manufacturers of many devices (scanner, printer, DVD burner, storage media, etc.) therefore have to pay a certain fee per device to an organization of copyright holders. The legal situation is very complex, and I am absolutely not a law expert.

As for downloading files from such a file sharing service, you may do that - for your private use. What you cannot do is download a file and then distribute it without specific permission. Also, if the material you download was obviously an illegal upload, then downloading it is against the law. And the latter would sure apply to an entire SCWC volume. Again, all that applies to Germany; no idea how it works in the US or Canada.

@jaceravone: Thanks for checking again! Will see if I can get that 3-disk pack somewhere ...

Christian

 

My understanding is that this is mostly true in Portugal as well.