Russia (Siberia): copper 10-kopecks of Catherine the Great, 1781-KM, Suzun mint

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How interesting/appealing do you find this coin, whether or not you're an expert? (1=worst, 10=best)

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Russia (Siberia): copper 10-kopeks of Catherine the Great, 1781-KM, Suzun mint
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    Obverse: crowned "E II" monogram of Empress Ekaterina II within wreath, "K/M" mintmark.
    Reverse: СИБИРСКАЯ ∙ МОНЕТА ∙ + ∙ / ДЕ / СЯТЬ∙ / КОПѢ / 1781 (Translation: "Siberian coin, Ten Kopeks"); inscription in crowned cartouche, flanked by two sables.
    Issuer: Ekaterina (Catherine) II ("Catherine the Great"), Empress of Russia (1762-1796).
    Specifications: Standards for this issue: Copper, 65.5 g, 45 mm diameter, 4 mm thick, medal alignment (↑↑), diagonally reeded edge. Struck at Suzun in Siberia.
    Grade: NGC XF40, cert. #3067920-005.

    Reference: Krause-Mishler (Craig)-6, Numista-17970.
    Provenance: ex-Chris Bower, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA ("Chris B" on CoinTalk). From his "WCN" (World Coin Nut) collection.* Acquired in a swap, 16 September 2020.
    Notes: 1781 was the final year for Siberian coinage of Catherine the Great, which was used as local money in what was then a remote part of the Russian empire. The design used on the reverse of this coin is echoed by the same coat of arms which is used on the flag of the Suzunsky District today.
    Comments: I love big, thick Russian coppers from the 18th century in general, and this Siberian piece in particular is even more interesting. Its size and weight are impressive, and its smooth brown surfaces very appealing. It just barely fits inside the standard sized NGC slab.

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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I find old Russian coins appealing. They are crude yet classy at the same time and have a nice clunky hand feel.
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Confession: until reading up, I thought those were wolves on there. Didn’t really know what a sable was, aside from some vague notion that people used to make costly fur coats (or artists’ paintbrushes) out of them.
     
  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Those are some big beautiful bronzes! Thanks for sharing!
     
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  6. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Allegedly the Suzun mint didn't have the technology available to refine the trace amounts of silver and gold out of the bronze - but I have read that mainly in American sources and not Russian ones like the Uzdennikov catalog.

    From my collecting experience with them, I have a whole typeset including some of the scarce dates - the polushka or 1/4 kopek and the denga 1/2 kopek are the stinkers to find in decent shape.
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I dug up an old thread where someone (you, I believe) was discussing that.
     
  8. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    I love a big copper. Mine aren't in quite as nice shape but were quite cheap for something this handsome. :)

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