Newest find - 1921 Cent !!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by SensibleSal66, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    Well, @SensibleSal66 posted a photo of a coin. There were some questions and so he reposted a clearer photo. Because his first photo was a bit grainy and low resolution, and his second photo was much sharper, it led to some speculation that they were photos of two different coins. That's all, and I'm having some Photoshop fun with it and sharing my opinion that both are images of the same coin.
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Thanks @JeffC , I feel sad that anyone think I was using two coins , what the heck guys !
    Sometimes I actually am sensible and senseless dribble doesn't show in my posts . Sometimes I'm humorous and people enjoy my posts . Umm... 4,631 likes !! Just saying . ;)
     
  4. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    The markers on my last post do not show on the original photo of the thread. Look again.
     
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  5. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    Yes, I agree with you there. :)
     
  6. White Ger. Shep. Lover

    White Ger. Shep. Lover Well-Known Member

    Make that 4,632, Sal. And thousands more undoubtedly coming.
     
  7. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    IMO they're the same coin. It could be the photos. The 1st pic is very bad but I see these same markers on both photos. (Indicated by red arrows)
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    Also, IMO the luster appears on the same places
     
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    4646 Sal, I know I gripe at you, but I still enjoy you
     
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  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Thanks @Kentucky , that means alot . I know I act silly sometimes, that's part me and part something else medicine related . I can be serious though and do have experience in Numismatics , been collecting for 40 years casually and 10 year error collector . Also , 20 year metal detectorist although I've been out of the game for 6 years .
    I really appreciate the likes as I approach 5,000 !!
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  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    This started with the lines across the tip, we couldn't tell what those were. I think there's no question the second pic shows they were but an optical illusion of some sort. Interestingly, they're on the other tip, too, in the first pic.

    You're pixelated, Sal. What can we say?

     
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  11. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    I agree with you 1,000%. If you look real carefully, the dot to the left of the "C" is in your post of photo also.
    Well, up to now, there's been basically two camps of observations:
    (A) There are markers in the hi-res photo that are not visible in the lo-res photo.
    (B) There are identical markers visible in both photos.

    While (A) is certainly true (and I have to agree with those who pointed this out), there's an explanation. We are comparing a hi-res photo with an enlargement of a fuzzy, lo-res photo. When you enlarge the latter, details get distorted or become invisible. Photoshop 101.

    Since (B) is also true, there is only one explanation: They are both images of the same coin, unless we are dealing with a huge coincidence.

    EDIT: Finally, I don't believe @SensibleSal66 is crazy enough to post two separate coins and claim them as the same.
     
  12. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    Try taking a photo of this with your phone if you're on your PC. Then look at the thumbnail image (which is lo-res), and you'll see that effect from @SensibleSal66 's first grainy photo.
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  13. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    In the Photoshop forums, I'll post this and call it the Sensible Sal Wheatstalk effect. 20210306_114217.jpg
     
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  14. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    I hold to my photos and comments. The dot on the right side of the T is attached in the original photo. The dot is detached on the latest photo. The same for the C. Also, the left grain stalk is different, re. my photos.
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I’d have to question this part, @JeffC. Sure the statement is true. Sure it’s Photoshop 101, one might say. And sure these are high-res and low-res photos. But where did those parallel lines come from that are confined to those wheat tips? That’s some coincidental distortion. And they’re not anywhere else. Imitate those lines in Photoshop. I don’t think it can be done. So that’s still a mystery. Parallel lines on both wheat tips is hardly a casualty of a low-res photo, I’d think. But it’s the same coin, without question, and therein’s the funny part. Or is it?
     
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  16. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    I blame all this on Sal!
     
  17. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    Good point. Now I'm curious too. I have a 1930-something AU/BU LWC. I'll try to see if I can replicate the SensibleSal effect late today or on Sunday.
     
  18. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    @eddiespin In posts #71 and #72, I included an example of how the wheatstalk lines can transform when resolution goes down. But, as I said, you got me curious. What about a real coin? Here's what I did. Sadly, I couldn't really recreate the diagonal lines in Sal's photo, but when I degraded the resolution, you'll see that those lines get distorted. Not exactly replicating the diagonal lines from Sal's photo though, but hey... the best I can do for now.

    The original pic:
    20210306_122837 copy.jpg

    The degraded lo-res one:
    20210306_131255.jpg
     
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  19. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That’s close enough, I get you. What a demonstration. It actually can give the appearance vertical lines are horizontal. Thanks for your effort, I just learned something.
     
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  20. White Ger. Shep. Lover

    White Ger. Shep. Lover Well-Known Member

    I'm not so sure that the Warren Commission delved in depth to quite the same extent as you guys have here with Sal's pics.
     
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