Got a picture of the whole coin. I'm looking to see if it is a 'MAD Clash', when you add a mis-aligned die error to a clash mark error
Lincoln in a neck brace??? Just fooling!!! You don't see the columns Clashed on Lincoln much but see them quite often in the fields. Frank
new pic of 2000 mis. clash some people wanted to see another pic of the whole coin. hope this works Thanks BILL left click on pic to get close up
I don't think either one is a die clash. On the 2000 I would guess die gouge/tooling marks. The 2008 I’m not sure but the area in question appears raised and wouldn’t the effects of a die clash show up incused on a coin struck by the clashed die. Plus being that the fields of a coin represent the highest points on a die – how do you have a clash in this area and show no evidence of a clash in the fields?
Answered in this thread http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t63244/ Yes but you have to understand what you are seeing. The columns are incuse in the die, raised on the clashed die, and incuse again on the coin struck from the clashed die. What you are actually seeing on the 2008 is not the columns but the RAISED bay area BETWEEN the columns.
Yeah, how stupid of me to miss that and say columns! The only way that it could be a column and be in relief at the same time, would be a Counter Die Clash. Frank
What really threw my perspective off - look at the very south end of the 2008 clash - I swear I see a raised image of seated Lincoln.
Die clashes are often tough to visualize since it's the high points of each die that come together. The high points are design features like the fields and anything that is in lower relief on the struck coin. On cents, the area where Lincoln's neck is , is shallow on the struck coin and is therefore one of the higher points on the obverse die. What Conder101 pointed out so beautifully is that on the reverse die, the columns are recessed and the bays are the highest points. When Lincoln cent dies clash, you can sometimes see evidence on the obverse, of the bays in the fields as well as in the area under Lincoln's ear (neck area) These coins with bays on the obverse are collectible and some folks try to put a good collection of them together. Although they can be found pre-1982, they are more easily found on newer Lincolns. Fun stuff! Thanks
The last shot of the neck does show a clash. It is the bay, five, I believe. That spot is the first place I check for clashed dies. The red, glaring light makes it very hard,(for me), to see much of anything. Yoy might try diffusing it, to see if it would help. Dick
