Would you like CoinTalk Auctions, Classifieds, or Both?

for that reason noost, I have suggested that it be restricted to membership with tenure longer than 8 months.

 

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Pep

 

would there be any point for people like me trying to sell coins that interest me (perth mint big coin proofs) to the majority of members on coin talk, most of you are american and your main interests are american coins and as such the interest in anything not american would be minimal, and would members (from outside of america) be permitted to take part. just a thought, mike.

 

I believe the answer would be Yes to both your concerns. There are a bunch of folks that collect world coins, and some in particular, those Perth mint coins.
As far as being allowed to participate, since there are many issues to be considered, I'll defer that reply to peter, or the moderators. I don't want to offer misleading or wrong information.

Nice to have you here.

 

I collect 17th & 18th century English coins & tokens and I dabble in a few others that aren't American and there are many members here that aren't American so foreign coins will sell here, if there's a market for them.

Ribbit

 

coinman, I have to agree with Jim. It would only be a matter of time before disputes would arise. Realistically, most of us are not family or friends, but acquaintances at best. Unfortunately, people change when it comes to money. It's one thing if you're auctioning brand new, unopened motor oil or a brand new camera from the factory.

By nature, coins can be a touchy subject with people with unique histories, conditions, prices, etc... Most dealers I see at the shows are a bunch of grumpy old men anyway who should have retired long ago. There will be many opinions involved. You'd probably need (another) hidden forum, specially made for people to go have it out in, with the mods being referees (which most would never want to go to that forum because they can't take the stress so they may avoid auctions altogether in time).

You have to realize that it would only take one bad deal to go wrong with a popular dealer or member here for everything to blow up. Then everybody would get involved and may end up not wanting to use it. There could be a thousand smooth transactions but when that 'one' goes bad, that's all everybody will hear about and dwell on.

I support it as long as the moderators know what to expect and are prepared to deal with the results, years after it is implemented. Some disputes may not be easy to settle. How is the open forum handled now? Is cointalk completely hands off?

 

Well, I think both you and Jim are basing your opinions on experiences with other type forum auctions, even EBAY. Could not the Auction format be conducted, as Heritage or other notable auction services, anonymous bidders, with the seller/buyer information private only to CT ? and restricted to TPG'd coins. Buyers have to option to view and investigate the coin prior to making a bid. If there is a dispute over the coin being received , the buyer has a 5 day grace period to file a dispute with CT and up to 15 days as to a return policy. There really is a a measure for keeping down the anticipated havoc, that is being thrown about. and quite frankly, I still am not convinced that it would occur to level suggested, even if ungraded coins were permitted, but if at all, most would arise from ungraded TPG offerings.

 

OMG another " sky is going to fall upon us" prediction. So what I hear you saying, is that we should just assume our members to be incapable of making these transactions with any degree of professionalism, and not go forward with this added feature. The poll does not indicate that, from the majority that voted in the affirmative. As a matter of fact, the only opponents of this proposal have been from a handful of members, who present worse case scenario's as an inevitable consequence of adding new features.

 

I voted at the beginng of the thread in favor of both , after reading all the posts well 90+% anyway , I'm starting to think it will be more trouble than it's worth . None of the Mods should or probably want to police these auctions . Just in these discussions I can feel some bad feelings . Lets just leave CT like it is , and Peter thanks for caring enough to ask .
rzage

 

and it is settled among themselves. The CT sky didn't fall,and and no chaotic havoc, extreme prejudicial or negative comments one way or another in the forums...

 

Because of a handful of undignified opinions of membership as a whole, with which as far as CT goes, the are no substantiated facts, to remotely reflect those opinions ?

If such ridiculous fear exists over this issue, I can just imagine what it does to lives outside this forum.

I don't have any bad feelings toward anyone that I have replied to, the reason for the poll is for membership to vote on either of the four options. Anyone who votes "no change" is entitled to that vote, without question. But to offer up justification for that position by insulting the membership as a whole, by suggesting they will turn into a chaotic mass of arguing, less than unprofessional, ill-tempered no goods, I sincerely take exception to that.

 

Peter, should your decision be to go forward with the auction feature, I would be pleased to offer my service, to assist in screening post's for adherence to whatever Rules are formed. I am to a great extent homebound, and have time to dedicate to that effort.

 

As a whole, the membership is great. But a few haven't been. encil: Most of the "zapped" threads I can remember had money/value as the underlying factor and I have only seen a few.

That, by itself, is not a reason to not give a try. What I am sure Peter and the rest must use for deciding, is the balance of time and efforts vs. effects ( good or bad) on the forum. Beginning a limited trial of auctions for a limited time (the month of August or September) and then requiring a high % of positive votes to continue for example, might be an answer. I don't see why classifieds would be necessary if the eligible number of postings and/or time on the forum was raised, and the posting limit of 1/week was increased. I am in favor of some sort of fee, although that can be determined later, whether it is a go or not.

I don't want to raise a diversion, but I would like to see any coin in an auction with a beginning start of over $100, or in a classified over $100 be certified by one of the major TPG. Level could be more or less. If there are problems, they will most likely occur on raw coins. I know some only buy or sell raw coins, so later, that could be re-evaluated, as I do like to buy raw Lincolns also. IMO.

DG-Jim

 

I made virtually the same suggestion in a previous post Jim. As you suggested, the trial basis would be a good idea.

 

auctions and classifieds would be great - but it would ruin the entire thing if numismatic related things were NOT the only items allowed to be listed! I personaly like how its runs now. An auction style format 'might' be a good idea .. but i can easily see it ruined by the bad apples that lurk around every corner! Those folks who would join, just to post the fakes they want to sell for big money. Like Ebay, there would have to be a way to report a suspected item ... but like Ebay, potential buyers would want a respected and reputible person on the side of judging if the item is real. bagging a legit listing would cause bitter sentiment, as would not bagging an obvious fake.

I would love an auction style format .. i love trying to find a bargain ... but i think with cointalk being 1 of the largest coin and paer money forums out there - and quite possibly the best ... an auction type format could easily turn into an Ebay. Sure one o th ebiggest complaints against ebay are their fees.. but all the other complaints could easily follow us here.

I would never want a classified section - even if its only for coins and other numismatic realted items. i dont see a need. I really dont see a need for a non-coin related anything. just my 2 cents.

If, however, either section is opened up. I would think a small fee would be in order. It would be a great benefit to the forum to help cover expenses. What if only 'supporting' members were allowed to list? Not alot of money to join and support the site, and it would be a perk for the supporting members. just a thought.

 

I am up for both

 

dagger, I didn't read your entire post yet, but first there is a standing suggestion that to be qualified for the auction, you (member) would need at least 8 months on CT.


I also made the suggestion about only supporting members being allowed to participate, sounds good to me.

 

we are on the same page fairly much. thanks for the input. These member questions being presented by peter, probably are just the first of a few more to come regarding this issue.

 

A place I worked at for about 15 years had an auction among the employees for things that the company found redundant or obsolete, one of the things was a company car that had been used by salesmen for various purposes.
One of the guys at work had been there like forever, not a riser or a shaker or mover but a steady worker, had a family, lots of problems in the family, but still went to work every day and did the best he could.
The word quickly got around that this guy, call him Tee, was going to bid on the salesmans car, and for everyone not to bid against him. It ended up he purchased the two year old car for about a tenth of its fmv.
The fact is that people are not just market pieces that automatically act in accord with their bottom line financial interests.
I would not want it any other way.