1853 quarter. Is this NT?

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  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

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  3. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

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  4. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    It looks AT to me, but it could be just bad pictures.
     
  5. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    I'd lean toward real. I have coins in an album that are not that different from that.
     
  6. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    IMO, QT at best. The coin has been dipped and/or cleaned and then retoned in an album. NT or AT, who's to say for sure other than the person who owned it when it toned, so I just call it QT and value the coin as if it had no toning at all (edited to add: i.e. I would not pay any toning premium for this coin). I suspect neither NGC or PCGS would slab the coin as-is.
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    QT?

    Quick Tan?

    LOL
     
  8. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    QT=Questionable toning, for those wondering (other than the smarty pants above ;) :D ).
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Based on the look of that coin I suspect it is NT all the way. And the holder it is in rather tends to confirm that.
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    hey, we ain't all genuises.

    LOL.

    And, I agree, NT.

    That crack isn't enough to have removed & replaced the coin in the holder.
     
  11. Steve27

    Steve27 Member

    I would go with NT (due to the minimal toning on the reverse).
     
  12. CoinKeeper

    CoinKeeper Keeper of Coins

    That's a beautiful naturally toned coin!
     
  13. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    I agree.
     
  14. rustyboy

    rustyboy Junior Member

    I agree also. It seems the reverse was down in an album to force the toning the way it is. No way an original toned coin comes out looking like that without being dipped first.
     
  15. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    I have considered more than once starting a set of seated halves or quarters. I think they're a great looking set and I would like to collect something from that time period. This look, which is similar to one I see in a lot of Seated coins, scares me away and makes me think that I have a ways to go before I am ready to start buying.

    I also wonder if those are hairlines on the obverse.
     
  16. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Thanks for the inputs. Wow, a variety of opinions here on both sides. I do agree that the coin was probably dipped, but in this case it wouldn't bother me provided there is ample remaining luster around the stars(hard to tell from the photos). I know many disagree with me, but it comes down to each one's opinion about eye appeal.

    I was concerned about the cracks because I've heard stories about how coin doctors somehow AT the coin AFTER it's been slabbed. I have no idea how it's done, but the coin must be exposed somehow which is why those large cracks had me suspicious. ANACS slabs are fairly sturdy, why would it be cracked?

    Anyways, I think it's an attractive coin and would look great in my type set, but there are WAY too many "what if's" to freely fork over $400 for.
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I am with Mike and Mark on this one.
     
  18. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    Well, first and foremost, looks like that slabb has been cracked open. So, that alone sends alarm bells clanging in my head. AS for NT or AT, without the coin in hand, I won't venture even my best guess. That alarm bell is to loud!

    In this state, it's a problem coin for me. If I were to propose a bid, I would contact the seller and come to terms on having the coin re-submitted and offer to split the re-slabb and designation fee, if it comes back as described by the seller.
     
  19. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I agree that it's probably dipped and retoned, probably in an old Wayte Raymond album. I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but I like the way it looks.
     
  20. Irespire

    Irespire Senior Member

    I would call it questionable. The reverse looks okay, but the obverse just looks really dipped and unnatural.
     
  21. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    I don't see any evidence that the slab has been cracked open - what do you base that on? In fact, the seller even states ".SLAB HAS TWO CRACKS VISIBLE IN PICTURES, HOLDER IS UNOPENED".
     
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