Is this doubling on this quarter or grease etc. Issue?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Lyrics, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. Lyrics

    Lyrics Giving this one more chance with lots of hope

    Still new and I still can't really discern the major difference unless overtly obvious doubling with obvious two or more full sets. However this seems like doubling to me. May I please get your thoughts on it?
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

  4. Lyrics

    Lyrics Giving this one more chance with lots of hope

    No actual value doubling? Yes?
     
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  5. Lyrics

    Lyrics Giving this one more chance with lots of hope

    But it is minute incremental doubling what if I said it was on a 1978 d quarter or a 1969 d quarter would that change the thought?
     
  6. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    It means no ADDED value. What is the year and MM?
     
  7. Handyman

    Handyman Well-Known Member

    It appears to be DDD ( die deterioration doubling) no extra cash value. Jmo
     
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  8. Diogenes Diaz

    Diogenes Diaz Active Member

  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    NAV or no added value doubling. Looks like MD to me.
    nope
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Strike doubling
     
  11. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Yes, that coin has doubling, but it is considered worthless doubling. Flat, shelf-like doubling is NAV, no added value to the coin, IMHO.
     
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  12. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    The effect that you see there is the result of a tiny wobble during the stroke that coined your coin. The slight movement created a tiny swipe that moved material, distorting and displacing the material. When that happens with a new die in the machine (a press), the step (shelflike appearance) is rather obvious. When it happens with an older die, with wash and damage, the step is less obvious as it becomes a compound event (wobble and the late die stage of the die).

    Doubled dies are events with the making of the die that is used to make your coin. Two (or more) impressions offset just a bit. With a perfect strike...with no wobble, the coin that is coined will have the doubling. If you look at my attached picture, you will see a coin that was pressed using a doubled die AND you will see that the machine wobbled leaving the no added value 'doubling', (which isn't doubling) damaged impression (due to the press/tool used to coin my coin).

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  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    One other point that is important . 1995 is when most die prior were double squeeze die production years, so real doubled dies usually had 2 images that would be at the same plus/minus height ( depending) at similar parts of the coin.

    Here is an easy one to see, maybe the most easy one
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    notice where the images overlap, both parts are close to the same height they merge together. No -brainer as my son says. As time passes the mint goes to computer automation of the dies and the die for common coinage only gets one single squeeze and variety collectors and specialists decided that even if it was only one squeeze, if it vibrate or moves during the single squeeze and the doubling was a doubled die still. I collect no DD after 1995, and I usually do not even respond to them as I believe they are basically mechanical doubling also. Jim
     
  14. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I am probably wrong, but trying to tell the difference between MD (Machine Doubling) and DDD (Die Deterioration Doubling) is hard to see. MD results from a die moving during the striking operation leaving a flat, shelf-like appendage. The resulting character is reduced in size. In DDD, the die has been overused and the edges are starting to wear and the characters are generally wider and the doubling can appear ghostly. Someone correct me if I said wrong.
     
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