Lacquered 1911 D- with hundreds of hours of xylene in the sun

Hey man, that is my NWO mask!! It will resist all forms of government take over, indoctrination, chemtrails, flouridation (Nazi's first used flouride in 1945 to control the prisoners), and the channel 2,4,7,9,11, news as well as MSNBC and Keith Oberman. O I forgot chlorine which is one of the most reactive elements on the periodic table causing unstable radicals in our body (our dear sweet government uses to "clean" our water supply)

O, and most importantly. I use it with all forms of lacquer removal on lame duck 1911 D's that I know hate.

 

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Yeah, I think that was my point, too. To put the point in terms of coin conservation/restoration, I think that's an imminently learnable skill/technique...nothing the average collector couldn't master.

 

Well, I guess those are the eternal questions, Doug. I can just tell you what I think. That should be left to the collector. TVs aren't hobbies. In a way, a hobby is an escape. It's not just dollars and cents.

 

I agree that conservation is fun and a hobby. I have received the most pleasure from rose thorn/oil on my coppers. It's minisurgery, removing the disease from the coin. I have got hard verdigris off with long soaks and the thorn. If you could fix a TV and enjoyed it all the more power to you. Why buy a knew one. Besides, pull up my old threads on my 1911 S and 1912 S and 14 S. The consensus was I improved all those coins. Oh, I forgot my 1909 S IHC. BTW the 11 S and the 1909 S have toned nicely in my album and the old reddened areas exposed after the grime removal look totally fine/natural now.

 

New TV or fix it?....hmmm..well, HDTV is expensive number one, and so it depends what's wrong with it. Bad AC plug I can fix, or loose solder connections perhaps, same thing. Old cheap black and white?..throw it away, get a new one. Hair dryers are cheap, throw em away, buy a new one. Can opener, cheap, buy another one. How bout a car? Some can change their own oil, put on brake pads, some can do body work, or a host of other things. To one, it may not be worth "fixing", but to another, well worth it. Perception.Take it to an extreme...bad kid? Get a new one! Right? Point is..Coins are not kids or TV's. They're coins. If you're wealthy, sure, throw any "problem" coin away, get a new one. You've got money...why waste your time I suppose, and depending on what you do, your time can be big money, and maybe your time is extremely limited. Makes sense...get a new one. I understand. For me..first...I ain't rich. I know some wealthy folks don't consider themselves rich, but they are. It's all relative I suppose. If I can take a coin that borders on a VG/F, and I paid VG price, that has been neglected over the years, eye appeal gone to hell from dirt, grease, has a non uniform appearance, then give it a little attention and be able to make it look a little more uniform, possibly bring out the "F" characteristics that were hidden, so to speak, then, to me, that's worth it. VG coins can be undergraded because of appearance and going from VG to F (even though supposedly one can't improve the grade...and in the strict sense of it's grade, perhaps that's correct) is a good bump in value (depending on the coin of course). Bottom line...I think it's all relative to the individuals' perception of worth, which can generally be attributed to that individuals' wealth, or their "scale" of wealth. By the way, there are individuals who recondition TV's and resell them. Taking it a bit further...one man's awful ex-wife can be another man's dream. Point....mostly perception with coins (which is why there is "eye appeal" that is naturally subjective). You don't have fast, hard, cold, all encompassing, absolute "facts" that will apply to every "individual" coin because every individual coin is a little different, obviously especially so with circulated/raw coins. So.....to say "never, ever, or absolutely" is just plain incorrect, wrong, non-factual. Though to preface these kinds of "ideas" (and that's all they are really) with "In my humble opinion" would be correct. Again, one man's fact is another man's opinion. Good day!

 

Yes...I give up as well. :desk:

 

Boy you guys quit easy!

Some parting words of wisdom: "When the jury is the most confused, that's when it's the closest to knowing the truth."

 

I don't give up at all. On BB so can't reread all of Doug's responses quickly but I absolutely disagree with the "get a new coin". Easy to say Doug- you don't even buy coins anymore and Don't own any- right?. To replace my 1911 D is gonna cost $250 + for a quality MS 63ish+ coin. I paid $180 (how's that for stupid?- based on bad photos). I bet I would get $50 or less for this coin. Lot of lost money. So if there is hope for messed up coins I am all for it. You certainly CAN improve coins. I have personally demonstrated this as I referenced with my previous threads on rose thorns and oil. Lacquer is another story and nothing seems to work so far (as far as complete removal). The jury is out on this one for me. Lightly scratched or hairlined coins- get them to tone. You will get them holdered if you have the proper knowledge on how to tone them safely. You will make mistakes and loose money too. " Buy a new coin" if you have a problem one?? I reject that advice completely and find it impractical and unrealistic and not productive to the discussion at all. No hard feelings GD!!

 

Sorry, late response. My odds are much better than that. I think I have demonstrated that in my previous post on rose thorns and oil.

 

Boy...we went from " you can't do it" to "the odds aren't in favor of it". Way to stick with it Boss.:high5:

 

Yes perhaps I did miss those words Doug. You certainly do stick to your guns...never off message in the end. Touche'.

 

Well, I think Doug is usually pretty clear with his points. Harshly cleaned and cleaned are not the same. I think Doug has been clear on that point, but to say that most attempts to clean dirty coins result in an uglier coin 99% of the time (previous quote) is simply inaccurate in my opinion. It is also a matter of opinion, but most of us that improved dirty coins have felt they looked a LOT better. Most others felt that way too. Anyway can reread my old threads (search under my profile) and reread those. I feel I have a lot of experience in this area. If a novice tries this they will almost guaranteed screw their coins up. Skill and knowledge and a careful approach are required. I will say I have seen no post where someone got lacquer off successfuly. I have not bought DMSO because I haven't found it. I will do a Google search. That's all I got to says abouts that!

 

Boss, do you have a "natural" or "alternate medicine" drugstore or pharmacy nearby? One that carries all of those unknown herb and vitamin mixes? The one here carries 5 different brands of DMSO. Since I suggested it, I have really become questioning as to whether the stuff is really lacquer. If nothing seems to work, I would be willing to look at it before anything else is done. PM me if interested.

 

I will send to you! Sounds good. I doubt that it is lacquer myself or perhaps it is a foreign, alien substance.

 

Glad to hear your 1909 S IHC is doing good Boss, have you cracked out your 09 S VDB?
I'll just throw in my two bits worth,
I have "cleaned" 3 coins. ALL, IMO, looked significantly better, and will now have a longer life thanks to it.