A Few Coins From My Collection #4

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by kanga, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Here are some of my older cents from my type set.

    I had to polish the front of this slab. LOTS of scratches.
    Too bad I didn't look at the back.
    One of my Top 5 coins.

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    The lowest grade of all my type set.

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    This is a Red Book listed variety that NGC doesn't recognize for it's Registry type set.
    Considering some of the coins the do include, I think they missed the boat here.

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    I left out my Braided Hair cent because: 1) It's a rather common coin; 2) Mine's definitely less than noteworthy.
     
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  3. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Very nice!!!!!!:thumb:
     
  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    All are beauties!
     
  5. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Stunning coins! I love em' all
     
  6. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Lovely coins - All of them!

    Have you had the 1798 attributed?
     
  7. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Fantastic ! Very nice.

    One question - shouldn't the Middle Date large cents be "Matron Head 1816 - 1835" and "Matron Head Modified 1835 - 1839" ? The first "modified" heads were the "1835 Head of 1836", yes ?
     
  8. copperflopper

    copperflopper Junior Member

    I believe the 1798 is a Sheldon 184. It shares the reverse with 182 and 183.:high5:
     
  9. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    I agree! :thumb:

    Delectable! :eat:

    Ribbit :)
     
  10. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I used the Red Book dates for this.
    In fact, I think you are correct. Some changes were begun earlier.
    But many of those changes were in letter/number sizes, not actual design changes. It starts getting a bit fuzzy as back as far as 1829.
    Sort of like the 1858 FE's with large letters and small letters.
     
  11. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I don't know how you guys were able to do that - attribute the coin from the picture alone - my eyes don't allow that.
    According to Breen, that S-184 in XF45 just about scratches the bottom end of the CC for the variety. Not bad! I think very few of my large cents make into the CC.
     
  12. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Beware... the XF45 on this coin is a TPG grade. The CC makers are more harsh; the same coin typically has a lower numerical grade.
     
  13. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Let's take a look at major changes to the face of Liberty (thus neglecting micro-variances a la die variety specialists).

    Large Cents in the period 1835-1839 have a special place in American coinage.

    Typically, design changes in circulating coinage show a dramatic, very clear difference (i.e. Draped Bust -> Classic Head -> Matron Head).

    The transition from Matron Head to Braided Hair was very different; we see an evolutionary / experimental trend in circulating coinage; normally, the Mint's experminents were restricted to patterns with a very limited audience.

    It boils down to this :

    1835 - first major change to face of Liberty. Two distinct visages: old-school "Head of 1834" and new "Head of 1836"

    1836 - no major changes

    1837 - only one major change - plain hair cords to beaded hair cords.

    1838 - no major changes

    1839 - Four distinct visages: the same one which debuted in 1835*, Silly Head, Booby Head, and the "Head of 1840".

    With the debut of the "Head of 1840", the evolutionary process came to a close. Apparently, they had a design they liked; it lasted through the Braided Hair era until 1857.


    * It debuted in 1835 and coasted through '36, '37, and '38 with no major change except the beaded hair cords. On 1839 coins, this visage is known as "Head of 1838".
     
  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

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    You are right 900. That will play a role for sure.
    I was quoting the CC as listed in Breen's book. In fact, I've often asked myself what grading standards did Walter Breen go by in his book: EAC, TPG?
     
  15. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I think you forgot to mention the Petite head and Mature head switch around 1843(can't remember the actual year).
     
  16. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    PS I think you also missed the plain hair cords for the 1839/6 variety. Not sure if it counts. :)
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Nice coins, all of them. Really love that '38. Thanks for sharing...Mike
     
  18. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Jus' zeroin' in on the 1835-39 period... talkin' bout the change from one major type to another (Matron -> Braided).
     
  19. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Didn't want to get mired down in varieties per se. Rather, I was looking at the evolutionary process.

    I would be interested in knowing more about the anachronistic 1839 plain hair cord. It's clearly a "one off" and not part of a mega-trend.
     
  20. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Those are flat out AWESOME coins Kanga!! You really have an eye for quality.:hail::hail:
     
  21. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    Nice exchange of information. The Matron Heads are great looking coins. And your photo taking is great. Thanks for sharing.
     
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