I have I’d’ed the mint as Winchester and the minter as Adam. However, I’m stuck on what type this strick would be considered. The portrait seems kinda odd and almost more like one minted by John but I sure it’s of Richard. Any help should be appreciated.
A quick, undercaffeinated look at Stewartby suggests Class II, 1189-90. ...Now, Somebody tell us how wrong I am!!!
...Sorry, forgot to post this earlier in the afternoon. I'm still gravitating to Class II. Corresponding to North 965, who goes into less detail than Stewartby.
According to North, short cross classes 1a-c, 3 and 5 are known for Adam at Winchester. Of these, the several curls and pointed beard suggest class 3. Class 1 usually has 2 curls at left and with class 5, two curls containing pellets. Am I certain it's 3? No, but it seems the best fit given the stated parameters.
I might add that I'm not entirely convinced that the moneyer is Adam on Winchester but I have no alternate suggestion.
I'm inclined to say OSBER[N], class 1b. I agree the portrait looks Richard, but I can't see any sign of the stop after R to the right of the hand which would be present on class 3. The reverse is double struck from the initial cross to 2 o'clock. What looks like a D at the right cross end could be for Rodbert who also strikes in 1b, but there isn't enough space to give his full name plus ON WINCE, hence my reasoning for OSBER, which does leave sufficient space for the mint as seen - so I think the third letter is an unclear B due to the adjacent double striking. FWIW, the Mass collection had 5 Osber 1bs ending in WINCE, but no others apart from Adam, however, I'm also struggling to make ADAM from the image. Plus the 'S' is a reasonable approximation. On the negative side, I'm struggling to find a die match in Mass which would be surprising. His class 3s are mostly flat in the bit seen on your coin, and none of them have a terminal E.
...Always thought it took a special mind to get this deep into the weeds with this stuff. By contrast, with French feudal, it's more like, "Unpublished variant? Meh...." ...Slight exaggeration, but not by much.
If it's any help, here is my Richard I penny. I identified it as a North 968. I bought from Sovereign Rarities when they were at the 2020 Winter FUN Show. It seems so long ago now. They identified as the Canterbury Mint.
@johnmilton, not to second-guess how much help this will be, but back to North, it's clearly (...well, after a Little squinting) the moneyer, Meinir on Cant[or], whose tenure there corresponds to North's classes 2-4b. ...Corresponding, by themselves, to the entire reign of Richard, and into the reign of John (from Stewartby: 1189-(1199)-1204). Given which, yours is looking a lot like his 968/1, Class 4. Meanwhile, Stewartby --who, for the Angevin period, took North's ball and ran with it-- elaborates on North's classes. Yours is looking like Class IVa (sic), which Stewartby dates to c. 1194-1204. Here's his description of the class. "Normally two, three or four thick curls each side; sometimes pellets in lower curls. Face withpointed or rounded chin. Crown of seven pearls. Colon stops (by on) on some early rev. dies ([citing] Lawrence 'IIb,' Brand 'IVa'): [mints] London, Canterbury, Winchester (VR) and York only." (English Coins: 1180-1551; Spink 2009, p. 68.) ...And, Yike, @Clonecommanderavgvsvs, I still need to write that Hammered maven in the UK! Sorry for that. Likely to do that next. ...Not to mention that some Serious, Live tidying of the apartment is called for, just for enough flat real estate (please read, desk and table space) to keep as many books open at the same time as this sort of thing calls for!
@Clonecommanderavgvsvs, Finally heard back from Alastair Wardle, the English Hammered maven. Here's the pertinent bit: "I’d confirm it is Richard I and suggest it is Class 4a. I would also suggest it was minted by Osbern of Winchester (note OSB at start of rev legend). NCE at end of legend is consistant with the Winchester mint inscription."
