Does this look carveds?

https://www.davidkahnrarecoins.com/1813-50c-capped-bust-half-dollar-pcgs-au58-cac-69465766.html

Does anyone think this coin looks like the face was recarved?

 

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not to me, but i have not seen the coin in hand.

 

What makes you think it's tooled?

Looks like a normal problem-free O-108 to me.

 

Tooling ? what the heck is that Please .

 

the deep details about the eyes.

 

that is not out of the ordinary, in my experience, especially for a 58 technical grade coin in this series.

 

Okay guys, I found it . For those like me that didn't really know.
When a well-worn or badly corroded coin, especially an ancient coin, has new details carved into it to make it appear less worn than it really was. A tooled coin is regarded as ruined, and nearly as bad as a counterfeit coin.

 

The details or tooling? I know carving is not uncommon in these coins, perhaps even ubiquitous.

 

details.

 

Nope. And I doubt PCGS, CAC and David would have missed it. I’d call David and ask him about it if you’re seriously interested in the coin.

 

This is the first I've ever heard of the term relative to numismatics, but am not a voracious reader or expert with anything of errors, tooling tricks, counterfeits, et al. That said, it looks fine to me...even one better than VF30...by just the 2D photos and what was asked about the face, plus indeed I'm learning more and more from many since becoming a new member last month. Thanks.

 

The way early coins were made is very different than those produced today.
Prior to the use of a steam powered press, each coin was produced by 3 to 4 men on a hand operated screw press.
Each die, both obverse and reverse were created by the Mint engraver by punching in each element by hand, from the dentils of the border to the individual numbers of the date, stars on the obverse, and the denomination and legends of the reverse.

Due to this, the position of each of these items in relationship to each other are different for every die produced. the Overton number is a identified variety by the placement of elements. sort of like a VAM or something I guess in a way.


Look at this
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1813-50c-overton-108/39469
Take a good look at the 3 examples, all 3 examples of Overton 108, as far as the bust are concerned look a bit different, and it looks different from the one in the link you posted also. That's that olden day, hands craftmanship of die making and pressing LOL

 

The thing is that doctering the details on these coins was so common by early dealers, that it has become expected. It is a little like dipping. Enough is accepted. too much is considered damage. It really depends. I am particularly concern with the eyes and the hair line. It is likely true that nobody knows these coins as well as David Kahn. I have one bust half that was given to me from my father that was purchased from Kahn. The rest were stolen.

 

First, why do you ask us, if nobody knows these better than David? Second, the coin is currently for sale, so why would you question it’s condition in a public forum?

It looks just fine to me, but let’s ask someone even more experienced to chime in. @okbustchaser

 

That's the way the eye is supposed to look. The problem is that most are not as well struck as this one so people aren't used to seeing such depth. I love this coin. If I could afford it right now it wouldn't be for sale any more.

 

???

 

It has pegree, I think.

 

It does (assuming you meant "pedigree"), and Tom Powell's collection was very well known in the bust half community.

 

No.