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Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by sweet wheatz, Jul 12, 2009.

  1. sweet wheatz

    sweet wheatz Senior Member

    I know that the US Mint melts old coins. Do they keep records of the dates (if readable) that are melted as to let the public know how many of each year is still in circulation?
     
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  3. taurus876

    taurus876 Senior Member

    Yes, the mint has hundreds of employees reading dates and mint marks before sending the coins into the melter.
     
  4. sweet wheatz

    sweet wheatz Senior Member

    Are the numbers available?
     
  5. Common Cents

    Common Cents Junior Member

    I do believe taurus is kidding!
     
  6. Pyrbob

    Pyrbob Member

    I don't think the mint ever melted coins. Dealers send bulk silver coins to smelters and not the mint.
     
  7. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I think he was joking. As far as I know there are no such records. It would be too expensive to do so.
     
  8. taurus876

    taurus876 Senior Member

  9. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    Don't have any info on current coins but in "Getting Your Two Cents Worth" by Kevin Flynn, on page 12 he reports the number of Business Strike and Proof 2 cent pieces that were melted each year. Not the year of the coin, just what year the coins were melted.

    Year Number Melted
    1871 3,073,329
    1872 3,483,433
    1873 1,689,140
    1874 1,674,201
    1875 1,059,218
    1876 1,269,340
    1877 1,134,469
    1878 1,921,931
    1879 1,890,313
    1880 281,220
    1881 81,347
    Total 17,557,941

    The author cites the Record of Minor Coins Redeemed 1871-83 from the National Archives.

    So, yes someone did at one time keep track of the number of pieces melted, but not by year or mint mark.
     
  10. Pyrbob

    Pyrbob Member

    Who is responsible for removing the coins? I don't think it is the mint. Maybe the Federal Reserve? Does anyone have experience with this? I know I have a couple mutilated coins that I took to my bank to have replaced and they said they don't do that. Some were smashed and one had a bullet hole from being used for target practise. They won't fit into rolls so the bank suggested I just go ahead and use them to pass them on. If the banks don't remove coins then who does?
     
  11. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper


    Just like currency, banks are supposed to pass the defective pieces to the Federal Reserve, who deal with the Mint. My best advice is to find a better bank.
     
  12. RWB

    RWB Member

  13. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Most people would be surprised just how few coins are melted by the issuer. This is especially true in this country. Back in the days they were silver it wasn't so costly to melt them and when they were worn or damaged they were destroyed and recoined. Of course they didn't keep records of the dates but generally the dates can be deduced from when they were melted. For instance there was some melting of subsidiary silver coin in the 1940's and '50's. It's likely these were largely heavily worn barber coins skewed strongly to the earlier dates. If you know what's in circulation it's not tough to figure what gets the axe. Most mints do keep careful records of what they make and what they melt.

    As a rule of thumb it's been only in modern times that issuers have melted vast numbers of coins and these are almost always base metal coins. Usually it's caused by a change in the monetary system or steep inflation. Mints wouldn't even bother to recall silver coin since people wouldn't turn in good silver anyway.

    Now days the mint hates melting clad but accepts it in any quantity by weight. They pay about 96c per dollar on delivery in New York which is why they hate it; it's expensive for clad junk, especially damaged clad junk. Most of what they actually get comes in by truckload from municiple incinerators and large counting houses. This is a tiny fraction of production however. An awful lot of defective coins just get thrown in the garbage and somebody is out a quarter.
     
  14. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    The Mint melted silver coins by the millions after the reduction in weight during the 1850s. The Mint melted copper coins (Half Cents, Large Cents, Small Cents, Two Cents) by the millions in the 1870s. The Mint melted Silver Dollars by the hundreds of millions under the Pittman Act beginning in 1918.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    But in most cases the coins had been demonetized or the change in the monetary system had pretty much wiped out the face value of the coins. So they didn't have to worry about the resulting metal being worth less than the coins. Unlike most countries, all our coins are still legal tender at their full face value and until recently melting down of the base metal coins would have resulted in a loss with the metal being worth less than the face value of the coins.

    But this was profitable since they could make more coins from the silver than the number of pieces melted.

    For the most part this was also profitible since the copper from one large cent would make three small bronze cents.

    And that was mostly politics.
     
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