1987 West Point 1 ounce fine silver Silver Eagle with w mint mark

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  1. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    These 1974 aluminum cents cost about $2 on the Chinese websites. It took me about 30 seconds to find one. You have to understand that these kinds of threads always follow the same trajectory - poster thinks they struck it rich, they get told it's fake, they get angry and start telling everybody that they don't know anything and don't comment anymore unless you tell me what I want to hear.

    I also hope you realize that it's not clear whether it would even be legal to own if it was real. Are you prepared to hire lawyers?
     
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  3. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    I know all about them fakes! I'm not an idiot! And more so, you just proved you know nothing about them. Do your research on them and read everything about them before you run your mouth to me. They are not illegal! I read everything on them. Everything! That includes the federal court case on them. So nice try! Feed someone else that bs.
     
  4. mike estes

    mike estes Well-Known Member

    hey Muzzman i hope these pictures will help. your coin is on the left.
    good luck friend
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  5. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/1974-d-aluminum-cent-returns-to-us-mint.html
     
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  6. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    Always. And they never fail to entertain!
     
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  7. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I think of it as "numismatic psychosis". I try to stay out of these things but sometimes you just can't resist. It's kind of interesting how they invariably know more than anybody else.
     
  8. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    You're a joke dude! Why don't you read everything about them? This isn't anything that I have not read! Why don't you dig into your research more. This is only talking about the Denver minted one that was not authorized for minting. The federal courts ruled in the man's favor and against the mint. But you would know that if you did your research. Nope it's easier to run your mouth and act like you know something. And the FBI closed the case on them and said that there was no criminal intent on anyone who has them from the Philadelphia mint. The mint gave them out legally and willing. Do some damn research Mr. Know it all!
     
  9. Muzzman

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  10. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    And the guy that had the Denver minted one, after the courts ruled in his favor, he worked out a deal between the mint and the Smithsonian and now it sits there. There is another one that's in private collection and that guy bought it from another guy. In 76 is when the FBI closed the case on them. I wouldn't be sitting here going through all this if people would just do some research on them and not stop at the first thing they read. Scroll all the way down and find the court case on them and read it and you'll see I'm not bs anyone. I don't have time to play games with anyone. I hope you all do read it and learn from it. They want you to think what you're thinking so noone will keep them.
     
  11. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    On a different note, you all stay safe out there wherever you are.
     
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  12. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Hi Yall, I got sucked into this, and started on the silver eagle. if you can't tell that coin is a fake without "a closer look" you need your eyes checked or you don't know what you're doing.

    That silver eagle:
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    A real silver eagle:
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    theres a whole lot of problems with it that says it's fake, but the stripes on the shield is a dead giveaway that you can't miss.that and the feather at the top that overlaps the shield and the arrow feathers at the bottom that overlaps the shield.

    the hyphen between silver and one is another, there's so much wrong with it, it shouldn't fool anyone.

    Personally, if it's going to switch to a completely different coin, I'd like it to be a new thread so I don't have to go over an older topic for two pages to find it's changed to something else halfway through. Just a personal preference.
     
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  13. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    As far as the 1974 cent goes.

    You tell me, which obverse and reverse die pair would that coin be made with?
    http://www.varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/Obverse Design Varieties.htm
    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/Memorial Reverse Design Varieties.htm

    if you are going to say it's ODV-030, and RDV-004 OK yeah, that's the right dies for the authentic pieces. but notice your FG to the right of the memorial? it's not even close to right. The Obverse is missing the VDB at the base of the shoulder also. the fine details is what's always missing on the copies.
    Aluminum is so soft it struck up well, every example that has turned up looks amazing errors were not kept by the mint if they did occur, at the time they struck maybe 36 of them trying to market it to congress as a viable option to copper, they got all but less than a dozen back. They didn't make errors with them, they wanted them looking as best as possible trying to get the composition change through.

    this is the one from the National Numismatic Collection, National Museum of American History (Smithsonian). they ALL look exactly like this because they were pattern test pieces. there is no "broad struck" or "struck through grease" or even "weak strike".
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    Yours looks nothing like the museum example.
     
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  14. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    It looks like RDV002 and ODV030 and the we is smeared up the rim just like broad strike. I know they made millions of them and I believe they was making them in 73 but with the 72 date is my understanding. For as much as it cost to get it looked at doesn't cost a lot. If nothing else, I donated the money. I have a dime that is a 64. It weighs 2.37 , diameter is 17.79 and thickness is 1.19 is that normal?
     
  15. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    Thanks for the info.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    They, never made millions of them.
    Forget, the hypothetic's
    You have a copy, reproduction,
    God, forgive me Fake.

    It is only you that needs to come to the realization.
     
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  17. BJBII

    BJBII Metrologist, CSSBB

    I'm guessing from your response that you are not in total agreement.
    This post, while slightly amusing, has jumped the shark.
     
  18. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Agreed that his post is only slightly amusing, but I believe it's highly entertaining ;)
     
  19. Muzzman

    Muzzman Member

    Laugh and then cry when I'm on my way to the bank. with the weight being dead on, it is a aluminum alloy, and it is an misaligned die strike and weak strike. Watch the video in the 3 picture. I was wrong when I said broad strike. The only thing for it to pass is the metal test. Which is 96% aluminum with trace metal. There's no counterfeiter out there that's going to go through all this work to get everything spot on. So I'm 99% sure this is a test coin.
     

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  21. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I congratulate you on a nice crisp reverse image. The US Mint couldn't produce this kind of garbage if they tried. But your money is yours to spend. Let us know the status of the TPG submission.
    1974_garbage.jpg
     
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