I believe that this is HT #258B, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. If so, it is listed as an R-8 Note: 29 MM plain edge What would you grade it? And, of course: Value? Thanks a bunch.
258B looks right to me but I have been out of these for too long. My old Rulau book shows that it would be 28mm and Gilt/B. Not sure I even know exactly what gilt is any more. A gold wash? Really nice high dollar token. I'll guess Fine maybe VF. My eight year old book has it at $300 in VF for what it's worth. Can't say if that's high or low in todays market.
My understanding is "gilt" is gold-plated. Yes, HT258-B is r.8 gilt. But this doesn't appear to be gilt; it appears to be copper. Does it have a reeded edge ? If so, it's probably HT258-A (r.4). FWIW, $50 in F, $100 in VF, and $300 in EF according to Rulau 4th edition. Be careful getting excited about the diameter measurements in Rulau. They are frequently off quite a bit. Maybe that stuff at K3, K8, and K11 obv is remnants of gilt, but I dunno...
Don't be so hard on yourself ! OOOOOPS I'm sorry ... you said "gilt", not "guilt" :headbang: :crying:
True. That posting was intended for grading purposes only. Now as a previous member stated in his reply the most recent value for 258B in VF-20 is $300.00 (retail) which wholesale is about half that figure for a "no-question" VF of this variety. The token presented tilts more toward a Fine grade. IMHO Members please comment. Thanks.
which is still the current values. 8 y/o or present, it's still the same. No value increases have been realized.
I had contacted a friend and committee member of the TAMS to make certain of this information. My comment wasn't intended to misrepresent your statement, as the values for this token are stabilized as they were in 1999
I can assure you, any discussion of a sale of HT 258B in either Fine or VF realizing twice the retail values I stated, is without any documentation. I would bet money, marble and chalk, the Token and Medal Society would have been aware of something as spectacular at that. However, in private undocumented transactions, with those who fail to do their homework, and are easy prey for the scam artists and lions of Ebay.. what the hell, the sky is the limit .:whistle: Honesty and Fairness should be presented by both Seller and Buyer. In every transaction that is what I seek and give. I'm fairly confident you seek the same attributes as well. I hope we get a bit more feedback on this token in thread from token collectors.
seriously. Now if we were discussing a MS token, thats an entire different matter. There are roughly 12-15 examples of this variety known in MS, none higher than MS63. Any documentation to the contrary as to F-VF retail values/wholesale prices I stated, would be greatly appreciated, so I may forward it onto the TAMS. regards, Tom
Judging strictly from the photos, I assume that the remnants of gilt are taken to be the small lighter colored areas located mostly in the first photo. That does not look at all right to me. Especially when one considers that if so little of the gilt remains, I would not expect to see ANY gilt remaining on a high spot. The "O", "R" and "U" still show areas of "gilt", and a few other letters seem to show small spots of it. The edges of those areas do not look right to me either. The two largest spots of "gilt" in the second photo are high areas - the letter "D" and a denticle. I could be wrong, but I would say that if that is gilt present on the token, it is not original.
The spec that is on the reverse at the D and on boarder, I can't say what that is, from the photos. I believe that is what is left of the "Gilt" on the obverse. It is still a nice token. For me, it has a special memory of that area, as I worked at that location in my very first job .
