My PCI toned Morgan that didn't cross

1898-O, originally graded MS64 in old green holder (the real one)....sent to PCGS thru GC, did not cross, ended up in Details holder:

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...ver-Dollar-PCGS-Genuine-Unc-Details-Art-Toned

total BS how PCGS decides Silver Eagles in old school PCI holders are ok with their toning, yet Morgans are somehow not ok....

super lustrous, original, problem-free, GORGEOUS in hand.....an unfortunate crossover disaster for me

I'm sure if Legend had submitted this, it would've gotten the bells and whistles of a 65 with a +

it deserved it, esp. when you look at it in hand

lesson learned....send your PCI target toned Morgans to a place like Great Toning on Ebay

 

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In my opinion, toned ASEs seem to get away with much more artificial color than any other type. I don't buy toned coins generally, but most likely will never grab a toned ASE.

 

Yep I had the same thing happen to me back when the standards stealth changed. Unfortunately the TPGs tightened up on MA toning a few years back. I wouldn't try to cross a PCI toned Morgan nowadays.

 

Wish I could see it but I don't do links.

 

I promise, the link is straight to the GC auction

 

PCGS has their guidelines for what's ok toning-wise, NGC has their standards, etc

It's absurdly arbitrary, and there is NO definition of standards.

It's a game, and we're all invited to play.

 

If we are not getting the results that we expect we should stop using the service.

 

This is why I won't try and cross my toned Morgans in PCI slabs.
First of all to my liking they are worth more in the old green slab, and second PCGS and NGC never want to give the collector the benfit of doupt....however let modern coin mart or another large company send in coins as such ...and they all get 70's!
Next on keys and semi keys they never want to give you the next grade up with pricing jumping by tens or hundreds of dollars.
There have been way to many examples posted here over the years

This will remain right where she is.....anyone with a good eye can see what this specimen is .....a nicely toned frosty proof like coin end of story.
Will also adc if I sold this it be for 66 PL moneys with a premium for color.

 

you, my friend, have the right idea

I tried it b/c I thought the coin was so OBVIOUSLY ok, that it would cross, at any grade.

Morgans with wacky toning usually have luster issues, along with their strange colors. An 1890s New Orleans Morgan with that blazing luster and obvious PCI coloration should've been an easy crossover....

but I stand corrected

 

just for clarification, yes, I submitted it in the holder....no crack-out

 

I get it still goes for $150

 

Sorry, but I agree with PCGS. The toning looks very dubious to me. I have not seen a Morgan with that toning pattern that was Market Acceptable.

 

i question the color progression. it is not an unknown pattern and has been linked in the past to a midwest coin doctor chemical gassing process.

i would have liked to have seen it in hand.

it is still attractive and there are many buyers for this type of coloring, with or without the coffin i.d.

of course it is sort of kicking the can down the road and disclosure is always better.

 

False

 

it's the same color progression that you see on those target toned ASEs from PCI holders

 

ASEs tone in very different ways than Morgans, they aren't a comparison. They have a different composition, different mint washes etc

 

the coin you display is not the same at all in progression.

 

are you stating that color break progression, as to questionable at vs. nt, is not possible for determining that a serious question of coin doctoring is probable?

 

Doesn’t matter. The coin looks clearly gassed to me. So do a lot of those ASEs, with a similar toning pattern. There are coin doctors in Chicago and Orlando that are known for that pattern. They gas coins in the slabs, as they are not airtight. This is well known in the coin world, and has been for over a decade.