1969D w/floating "E" on reverse.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by jessash1976, Jun 23, 2009.

  1. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    I now see how it could be interpreted as the "E" from E PLURIBUS UNUM. Presuming it is the E, the shape looks uncomfortably distorted to be a dropped letter. Especially the middle bar and the embayment between the upper and lower bar. Still, it's possible. It remains a tough one to authenticate.
     
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  3. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    Rockdude- I have to jump in a say, that it seems Just Coins was debating a friendly manner, but your comment was sharp: "No, it's clearly a job you do well". He then defended himself. This goes back to people disagreeing with kindness. We don't have to agree on things but civility is important here, (and everywhere for that matter). Just my very humble outside opinions.
     
  4. just coins

    just coins New Member

    Thank you Boss for sticking up for me.:hug::hug:

    I will just not pay attention to his comments anymore they make no sense to me anyway. :rolling:

    I just want to have a peaceful and ,pleasent ,inteligent discussion on coins not to deal with worthless remarks.:hammer:

    I have learned my lesson from the first experiances here.:hatch:

    Thanks Joe :)
     
  5. CashDude

    CashDude Member

    I'm not trying to be a ****, but since I had the first reply, let me just say something. I like both of you guys and I'm glad you reply to so many threads.

    Just Coins was confused from the beginning. The original post said the E was the same size as the E in "States." JC was trying to compare it to the E in "Cent" which is obviously too big.

    Then he tried to say that dropped letters are usually raised.

    I think it is real. It would be almost impossible to fake that effect without damaging the rim at all.

    Conclusion: Carefully read the original post. Most threads I read have people asking questions that are already answered in the original post. No offense JC but I see why the guy was frustrated.

    Now we need a mod to clean this thread up.
     
  6. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Alright,

    That said, if it is "REAL"(which I think it is), how much do you guys think it would be worth? I would like to know, so I can brag to my uncle when I see him next. It will look nice to the new 1997 Double ear I just found....:eat::goofer:
     
  7. just coins

    just coins New Member

    In all honesty I think somebody intentionally did that to your coin to me it's post mint damage like I have stated before. You can produce that fake without damaging the rim at all your coin already shows that.

    There's no reason for frustration ,and bad remarks on this forum, because things can get a little crossed sometimes.but to make remaks is a whole different ballgame

    We can't give you a value on this coin, because we still don't know for sure if it's a true error which I doubt /But if it's real it could probably bring in a couple of hundred dollars i think ,because they are a rare breed.

    When this is established and you send it in to somebody to get it attributted, and it;s real then we can make a conclusion on the premium of the coin

    I wish you the best of luck with it

    Joe
     
  8. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    A small dropped letter would perhaps bring $30 - $50 on eBay.
     
  9. just coins

    just coins New Member

    That's all -:bigeyes::bigeyes::bigeyes:--I thought they would bring more then that since this is considered a rare error so the size matters , if it was a larger dropped letter what would the value be then?:eek:

    JC:smile
     
  10. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Rarity has little relationship to market value. Some one-of-a-kind errors bring very low prices while some relatively common errors bring hundreds of dollars. It all depends on demand.
     
  11. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I sold a 1964-P Washington Quarter on Ebay ,still in seal mint wrapper with a dropped L on the forehead for $375.00.it could be seen with out a lop or magnification just plain photo. last year but was still in mint wrapper maybe that why it sold so high?
     
  12. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Silver, mint set, large letter, quarter -- these factors would have certainly raised the price. When it comes to errors, value is hard to predict. Still, I think you got a very nice price for it.
     
  13. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I agree and Fred W loved too. It grade MS-66 mint error dropped letter. I am not sure how much he sold it for or if he keep it or sold it.but you can bet it was not $375.00
     
  14. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    I am always suspicious of dropped letters on high relief areas like the forehead. These can instead be contact marks from the obverse of another coin. The grading services are not always savvy about distinguishing the two.
     
  15. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    True TPG tend to overlook a lot. I think it who there grading for and if they add $$$ for Details
     
  16. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Mike,

    I can understand being suspicious if the letter is reversed (i.e. backwards "L") on high relief areas but not if it is oriented correctly as a normal "L"! However, Jello never mentioned the orientation of the "L" on his' coin.


    Frank
     
  17. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Also,

    If this was some kinda of "fake" as stated it might be, who in there right mind would produce something like this, and not keep it for themselves. I don't envision some kind of "Evil Numismatic Genius" spending his days in a back room with an "E" letter die going "WOOOAHHA", "I am going to destroy the market!" I would think if he was smart enough to do such things,( Or have the time), that he would keep it for my self and this would make him an E-Bay millionare.
    All kidding aside, Thanks for your help guys, I will just put it in a 2x2 and pull it out to scare the kids when they get older:kewl:
     
  18. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    While a contact mark would be mirror-image, so would a dropped letter, if the plug of die fill flipped over prior to the strike.
     
  19. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Contact marks can be completely accidental.
     
  20. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Last comment on the supposed "dropped E" on the 1969-D cent. Playing around with some cents it seems that the incuse E is normally-oriented. If it was mirror-image, the narrower embayment would be on the right side, rather than the left side. A normally-oriented E is consistent with a dropped letter, as is its relative strength in the field. However, as others have remarked, the incuse letter is too small for the E of CENT and even too small for the E's in UNITED STATES of AMERICA. It is too large for the E of E PLURIBUS. My suspicion is that it's just a stray mark that resembles an E.
     
  21. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Mike,

    I don't want to draw out this debate any further than it has already gone! However, I disagree with the portion of your' statement that I have made bold in the quote from your' posting! Please read my' earlier post quoted below.


    Frank


     
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