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It looks like a 63, not a 64 to me, as Liberty's cheek is too abraded for a solid 64. And I agree with the advice that Tradedollarnut has been giving you on the PCGS forum - he is extremely knowledgeable and is trying to help you, by not sugar-coating his remarks. For what it's worth, I am a former NGC grader.

 

Oh yes, so you agree with the fact that all these people here just say nice coin, because I'm 14???

I suggest you read the read thread titled "Kudos To Tmoneyeagles" or even "what were you doing at 14"
I'm liked, as a person over here, and no matter what you will say here, will change that

 

I am guessing, that due to your age, a number of posters are treating you differently than they otherwise would. Either way, the bottom line is that the coin doesn't look like a 64 to me.

I'm happy for you that you feel liked and am not trying to turn anyone against you - I'm just providing feedback, which you are free to ignore.

 

as i said it before. i never buy coins from the dealers since 1982. everything is from the u.s. mint. 99.5% belongs to the mint. and i never sell anything yet. so i really don't need a dealer at this time. i don't attend coin shows, member of any coin club or organization, buying & selling from e-bay or send it to slab coins. in short. i am on my own. i learn to grade coins through books, magazine and getting more expert by looking and observing coins frequently. lastly. i learn a lot from coin talk and other websites.

 

Mark,

We say nice coin for the same reason that I believe you should. I respect that you are a former grader and hear that you are a fantastic dealer, but you should know better than anyone, there is no way to accurately grade that coin from those photos. When you were a grader, what would you have thought about someone criticizing your professional opinion after looking at a crappy photo (no offense intended T$).

It appears attractive and T$ is happy with the coin which is really all that matters. If I had a better photograph to second guess the graders at NGC, I would certainly do so in order to help Travis. Without one, I am forced to accept their opinion. If the photo looked like this, then I could understand your condemnation of the TPG's grade.








Having said that Travis, your coin is not a coin that I would purchase. The reason is the same reason that Mark is trying to convey to you. From your photos, the coin appears to have too many marks in the obverse focal areas to warrant the MS64 grade, and that the coin is either an MS63 or a low end MS64. And while you are a respected member of this forum and have very advanced numismatic knowledge for a teenager, your overall numismatic knowledge and experience can't begin rival that of either Mark Feld or TradeDollarNut. Telling Mark to read those threads will not change his mind, he is not judging you, he is judging the coin. From what I know about Mark from the NGC forum, he would give you the same advice about this coin no matter if you were 74 or 14 years of age.

 

I see you are here as well as on the PCGS forum. Welcome.

I collect mostly Morgans too. I like them because they are big and available.

With all that, I can see what others are saying, regarding the coin. It is average at best, more likely in the lower 20% of MS64 coins. I am not an expert grader, but I do know my Morgans and that one is not so hot.

Mark Feld is an expert grader, and is one of the good guys in the hobby. Mr. Feld knows more about coins than just about anyone on any forum. A person would do well to learn from the master, rather than argue with him.

Sometimes forums engage in happy talk. Sometimes they are mean-spirited. I've learned not to take either too seriously. Rule #1 is that no one wins an argument on the Internet.

Collect what you like. Enjoy the hobby.

 

Great post, Lehigh! Travis, I hope you accept the advice & opinions offered in the spirit in which they are intended-- that is, honest and helpful-- I wish I had lurked on this forum and the CU forum when I first began collecting, I would have avoided a number of errors-- The advice of collectors and dealers like TDN, Mark Feld, Lehigh, and others is PRICELESS and should be carefully considered. I just hope you go slow, learn how to spot the true standout coins within a grade so that every coin in your collection is one you can be proud of.

 

With respect to the question you asked

I would think that, having examined the coin in person, I probably had a much better idea about how to grade it than someone else (whether they were expert or not) who was trying to grade it from an image. But I wouldn't take personal offense.

I agree about the problems in trying to grade coins from images. In fact, I have repeatedly posted something to the effect of "No one, no matter how expert, can consistently grade uncirculated and Proof coins accurately from images".

Still, we can use images as a tool to discuss coins and grading and learn from them. For example, we don't know how accurate or inaccurate the images of the Morgan in question really are. But, I think it's fair to say that if they are accurate/not overly accentuating the flaws, the coin is not a solid MS64 example. Maybe it deserves a 64 and maybe it deserves a 63. Either way, it allows us to discuss the differences and what to look for in coins of various grades.

 

T$,
Hold off on coins that are not "that great". Honestly yours looks like a MS63. If you paid MS63 money then you got a great deal. I also have a 1898-O that is NGC MS64 and is toned (Red rose colored in hand). I paid $48. However mine is a weak strike for the date, which generally has an above average strike.



Plus it had a cool tilted O.


Respectfully submitted,
Garrett

 

I think its a beautiful Morgan. I myself own more than one slabbed Morgan graded MS64 by NGC which are highly suspect. But I'm happy with the price I paid. So no big deal.

 

Mine has a nice strike to it, and I am happy for the price I paid, and I am happy with the coin.
Your coin, has nice clean fields to it, but what is up with that toning?
I have just never been a fan of that type of toning
The toning is distracting to say the least, and I wouldn't be able to grade your example, due to the toning.

 

Hi Travis,

It seems this post is in jest, but you might want to take it easy on the subject of Hispanic names. You're making light of another cultures traditions.