1909 Indian Cent. Grade?

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  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    I've had this in my type set for a while. What does she grade?
     

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  3. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    Very pretty coin, nice strike. Looks like a nick in the field next to LIBERTY and some marks in the field across from the neck so MS63 Red or RB - can't quite tell the color from the photos but the obverse looks darker.
     
  4. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    It looks like a nice 63 or 64 RD to me
    Very tiny flaws, a tiny scratch below the N in CENT, the nick that thepennylady was talking about, and also some more nicks below the jaw and in between STATES and OF
    A nice coin that is for sure!
     
  5. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I was going to say MS-63-64 RB , but I'll defer to Charmys' wisdom .
    rzage
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It also has a nick by the "B" in LIBERTY. Without that, I would think 64, but... Like Charmy, I cannot tell if it is red or RB, but I would guess RB.
     
  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yep - I have to go with the group 63 and probably RB. Very nice coin.
     
  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I agree with the color problem, Red or RB.
    That's an in-hand sort of question.
    But I'll go with RB since the "redness" is quite similar to my RB.

    I was going to go 64 or 65, all depending upon the appearance of the marks, again in-hand.
    How visible are they to the naked eye?
    I've done enough coin imaging to know that it really enhances marks that aren't easily visible to the eye.
    Under a 5x loupe, well, that's another story.
    But with all the marks visible in your image, I'll go with 64.
     
  9. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I like it as a 63 or 64 RB.
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    MS-63 Nice coin.
     
  11. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    thanks gfor the comments! I think a 63 rb is pretty close. The obverse is pretty red, but has somewhat of a darker hue than the reverse. The nicks are tiny, but can be viewed up close. I bought this coin raw at the coin shop as a MS.
     
  12. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    64 RD to RB. Don't send to NGC if you get graded. They are too picky about RD criteria in my opinion. That is a splendid coin. VERY Nice
     
  13. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I'd grade it AU-58 cleaned MS details.

    there is too much graininess to the surface. It should be fairly smooth and this coin is not. My guess is that it was chemically cleaned.
     
  14. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    I have to humbly but strongly disagree with you on this one - I think the graininess is due to the photo, not the coin. This is definitely MS.
     
  15. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    Nice looking coin I also think this could be a MS63.

    I do have a baseline question.. Did you use Photoshop or some type of photo processing software? If you did be sure not to use the Photo Filter for Sharping with this picture more than 2x .. it will cause a very grainy appearance. The obverse looks too filtered to me and I do not think what I am seeing is the true coin's surface. :)

    May be wrong but just my thoughts.
     
  16. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    63 RB

    That's a nice looking IHC. I especially like the reverse.
     
  17. mralexanderb

    mralexanderb Coin Collector

    My first impression was MS 64 or 63 RB, but in hand it could be red. Nice coin.

    Bruce
     
  18. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    I say AU 58 as this looks like wear to me. I see wear on just about everything though.
     

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  19. kevcoins

    kevcoins Senior Roll Sercher

    I say MS not to sure on the wear and what non but it a beauty
     
  20. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    we were asked to grade the coin based on the pics. If the surface is that grainy, then I stick to my cleaned opinion. If the pic is pixel lated in some way, then I would have to see a better pic before I change my grade.
     
  21. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'm going to say MS63RB. Great coin!!!
     
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