1921 Peace Dollar - Need your Help!!

You're nosy. J/K.

 

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What do you mean by the high relief gets real low?

 

It looks like a real high relief to my eye.

But, what do I know, I wear glasses.

 

thanks again

 

I mean the high relief will wear down just like the high-points on any coin.

 

There must be a Peace Dollar expert in this thread by now.

Just a passing idea.....

1) Eureka!
Archemedes needs to build us a coin mass evaluator. If you have a scale you can determine mass by displacement, Doc.

Actually, I'm off to design one myself! A clear tube large enough to hold the peace dollar and a good tape measure might be enough.

Down side is the coin will need to get wet.

2) I just noticed my 1925 (very low relief) peace dollar, when rotated on the horizontal axis does not have the parallel lettering, Obv compared to Rev.

Die rotation or design?

And welcome to the world of collectors, Doc.

 

I have my doubts about the coin. Overdipped at best and a die-struck counterfeit at worst -- a coin with this much detail should have lots of luster and the photos suggest a complete lack thereof. Also the coin just looks "off". The date an odd shape and the lettering slightly off. Although that may just be the photos.

Respectfully and honestly submitted...Mike

p.s. if the OP isn't sure of himself he should consider purchasing a certified example until he gains the requisite skills to detect counterfeits and other problems -- or at a minimum get a good mentor to help with the coin buying process.

 

I've got a few 1921's...they definitely look different in hand than the other Peace dollar dates due to the high relief.

One of mine is in about the same condition as yours..

I see nothing that would scream "fake" from the picture you've posted.

 

Are you suggesting a Specific Gravity test, Dok? If so, there are numerous sources available on how to do a SG test on a coin. It is actually quite simple if you have the right equipment. The most important piece of equipment is a very, very accurate scale.

 

FYI, and Hobo, I'm sure you understand this, specific gravity of die-cast fakes can be correct in some cases, and SG can only be used to positively identify counterfeits not by itself affirm a coin as real.

 

Correct. I was simply asking if Dok was suggesting a SG test, something that has been used for many, many generations.

 

Several have chimed in already... what did you want to know? The overwhelming opinion is that this coin is indeed genuine. There is one dissenting voice and that is Leadfoot, and is duly noted, but doesn't really change the consensus.

 

I have seen many Peace Dollars that have been overdipped. This coin is typical of them. Beautiful strike, almost zero luster. I have a very nice 1921 that has been overdipped, but I keep it because it has the strike and details of an MS-65. It's actually quite a shame, really.

 

thanks for your help. What would a magnet do?

 

Thanks for all the replies. I agree with a lot of you, and I definately do not claim to be a expert in any way with coins, I really do try to do my homework before I buy one though. I have bought a good bit of coins from Ebay and other places, and this is honestly the first one that really is hard for me to decifer. I guess it might be because this is the only high relief in the set and I really have nothing to compare it to other than what I see and read from books and the internet. Everything seems legit, the only problem is that a lot of the counterfeit coins in this year look very convincing to me, at least online anyway. The only reason for my suspicion is one the luster of the coin. I guess, like many of you said, with al the strong details on this coin, it just looks funny having a dull luster like that. If it was cleaned that many times, wouldnt there be a shinier look to it? I am not very proficiant at telling if a coin has been cleaned, but I thought that there also is small lines that show up and this coin doesnt seem to have any. Is that not the case if it has been dipped? Also, I think someone else mentioned something about their coin lettering not lining up with other side of the coin, and the ironic thing is that that was the other thing that I just noticed about this coin. Does this mean anything. For instance, the letter E in LIBERTY on the top of the obverse side lines up with the letter E on the end of the word PEACE on the reverse. The other peace coins that I have seem to have the letter E in LIBERTY line up with the letter A in PEACE on the reverse. It is almost like one side is rotated a little bit. Does anyone know if this means anything? I only noticed it because I had all the coins in a album and all the obverse sides were lined up on one page, but when I looked at the reverse sides, the 1921 peace coin seemed to be rotated more to one side.

 

At this point, would dipping it one more time really be a bad thing. I was just wondering since there still seems to be a good bit of grime on it and didnt know if, since it already doesnt have much luster, giving it one more dip before I put it away would hurt. Also, assuming it is real, with everything being said, what grade do you think it would be?

 

Well, I still have the option of returning it and getting my money back. It sounds like whatever the outcome is, that may be my best senario. From the feedback I am getting, it is either fake or a coin that has been cleaned a good many of times (also not good).