Help needed with Seleukid bronze, please.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ambr0zie, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Hello ladies and gentlemen,
    That moment when I participate in the first auction of 2021 came.
    I wanted to expand my collection a little so I bought a few Seleukid coins. Main reason being I wanted an elephant, not as a pet, but in my album.
    Bought this
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    described as Seleukid Kingdom. Sardeis. Antiochos III Megas 223-187 BC. Bronze Æ 12 mm., 1,96 g.

    I would need your help, please, for a more detailed attribution.
    I don't know what is the sign above the elephant, looking like a reversed M, but I found the same symbol here, in the 2nd example in this article (but it appears turned upside down)
    https://journals.openedition.org/syria/669
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    From my (poor) skills in recognizing characters, I would say the obverse (on my coin, the second picture is from the article and it is Athena) represents Apollo.
    I cannot find a match in wildwinds or acsearch, any help is greatly appreciated.
     
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  3. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    The 2 monograms are different. Yours is Antiochus III from Sardes SC 981.1 211-208 BC
    Legends are vertical to left and right.
    This is your monogram but I haven't got to A3 yet.
     
  4. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Thank you David.
    Bookmarked your website, as I didn't know about it until now.

    I was just about to reply about the monogram.
    Found http://numismatics.org/sco/id/sc.1.981 and no coins here have the monogram, I don't think it's worn. Anyway interesting coin, today was the first day I observed carefully Seleucid coins.
     
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  5. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    None of the coins on that page show your monogram but it is definitely 981.1c
    There should be another below the elephant as well but off your flan.
    I edited my above post to show your monogram.
     
  6. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    @David@PCC thank you again for your help and info.

    To avoid opening another topic, I would lie your help on this one as well, please, or any other Seleucid specialists.
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    Seleukid Kingdom. Sardeis. Antiochos I Soter 281-261 BC. Bronze Æ 13 mm., 2,62 g (only provided info)
    I used your website to narrow it down, on the obverse the only match I can think of is Athena with triple crested helmet and judging after the size, it should be SC 315 from http://allcoinage.com/obverse_type...._desc=Athena Facing in Triple Crested Helmet

    Control mark:
    http://allcoinage.com/rc_mg1118_1.php

    Is this correct?
    And why is Athena's head, especially eyes, so ... strange?
     
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  7. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Yes that is the correct attribution. Each die is hand made so there will be a lot of variation on each coin especially if a large number were produced.
     
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  8. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Thank you David. As mentioned yesterday, this was my first encounter with Seleucid coins. I also bought a Seleukos II Kallinikos (identified it as SC 670) - I think this is a good start, the prices were OK and I simply like them.
    I would have preferred a coin with an elephant in a batter condition, but my budget was limited (and I managed again to buy more than I was expecting....)
    Regarding the Athena coin, her eyes look very strange, out of line. I am not bothered at all by this, but before you confirmed the attribution I was wondering if this is not something different.
     
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