2009 Lincoln holes to fill

Ok gang, this may be old news. I know my self that this has been discussed here before in other Lincoln threads, but the answers were not all clear.... sometimes unsure. I know that I was unsure of my answers, but I finally had a chance to sit down and read a new Coin World that laid out exactly what we will be seeing for Lincolns this year. Are you read????? Get your albums out and get ready to make lots of room...... here we go!

4 Philly designs - Zinc
4 Denver designs - Zinc
4 Philly designs - Copper
4 Denver designs - Copper
4 San Fran proof - Copper

The unc copper cents will be in the mint sets while the zincs will be business strikes. So if you have OCD like myself, you will need to make room for 20 cents!!!! That's right folks....you need 20 slots! Thats a lot of Lincolns.

 

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Does anyone know if Dansco is making a new page to handle this? If I remember correctly, my 8100 album has 12 holes for 2009 Lincolns, meaning they only took the P, D, and S proof of each design into account, with no regard for zinc vs. copper. Since they split out the 1982 cents by composition, I'd think they'd want to do the same for 2009.

 

Fortunately for me, the Whitman album that I have ends in 2008 (I believe) so it leaves me all this extra room to create those holes. I also bought the rub on dates that you can buy for the whitman albums. Its kind of a pain of a process, but when it is done, it looks good. Plus, I purchased an extra cent page last year anticipating this change so I have more than enough room.

 

Wow thats a lot of cents

 

Don't take this the wrong way - not meant as a "challenge"... Where did you get your information on the 2009 Lincolns? Was not aware of the Denver and Philadelphia coppers, only knew about the San Francisco...

P.S. Thanks for the info! :high5:

 

yes we are waiting for a second historic lesson with baited breath

 

Thanks Joe. For the about the fourth time I thought I had this all figured out, then you come along with this post. Now I'm confused again, but I'm sure I'll get unconfused again so I can be reconfused.

 

you ever get the feeling that the mint has us doing the hokey pokey and we just don't know it?

you put your left foot in, you put your left foot out...........

 

In the original post I mention that I got my information in one of the latest issues of Coin World...... more specifically from the May 4th issue, article "Mint prices special 2009 Lincoln dollar, cent set at $55.95" on page 5 and cont on page 22, starting at the fourth paragraph down, "The Original 1909 composition will also be used for cents in the 2009S regular clad proof set, 2009S silver proof set and the 2009 unc mint set. The circulation quality 2009 Lincoln cents are being struck at the Denver an Philly mints on planchets made of the same compositioin implemented in 1982. The cents in the mint's two roll sets are also composed of copper-plated zinc."

Hope this explains everything. If this wrong, then dont blame me, blame Paul Gilkes of the Coin World since he wrote the article.

 

Hey, Joe.. If what you're saying is that the 8100 Dansco album page for 2008 - 2012 only has 12 openings for the 2009 issues. The 4 different reverses for the Lincoln Clad coins (P D & S) = 12; and nothing for the 4 copper P and 4 copper D coins which = 8 coins. SO... we need to put those 8 coins somewhere in the album.

Oh, wait. Dansco might just come out with another page to sell you on top of the '08-'12 page I already bought. I'm sure I want those 95% coppers in my album.

Oh, well what's another $10. ............I'll just leave it there.

Bruce

 

For what it's worth, all of the proof (S) coins will be copper, but it's still 20 coins total, which still means we're short 8 holes in the Dansco. I just sent Dansco an e-mail (hopefully the DanscoCorp@aol.com address is still valid) asking about this.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if they won't make an amended page for the additional 2009s since they've already released the one with 12 holes. Making a new one would mean that two different pages for the same album would exist, which then means that they'd have to produce different pages for years after that as well (since the start/end of the next page will be affected by whether this page has 12 or 20 holes for the 2009 cents). I hope that's not the case and they'll make the page, but this could be a headache for them (and for people buying future pages). Or maybe they could just cut the album off and start a new one with the new 2010 design. After all, will the album even hold any more pages after this one?

 

Yikes, with so many variations in 2009 I can't keep track of it all. Can you (or anyone) point to the US Mint product called "2009 Unc Mint Set" ?

Oh -- wait -- I found it (sort of). On the "2009 scheduled products" page, I see two entries:

• Summer 2009 -- United States Mint Uncirculated Coin Set
• Summer 2009 -- United States Mint Silver Proof Set

So that must be what he's talking about. So these guys will have the coppers, eh? (and these products, obviously, haven't been released yet.)

Yowza!!

(FWIW, my decision is a bit easier: I used my Dansco's for business strike / circulating coins only -- so I only need 8 holes)

 

Another fly in the ointment, will the Mint set cents be Satin?

 

all Mint Set coins have a satin finish

 

The Presidential 8-coin mint set did not have satin finish (at least as far as I know -- I broke them open and they looked regular old business strike to me, with bag marks and everything)

 

So, reading your article, the only ones done in copper will be the proof sets and the uncirc sets. Surely, you are not suggesting to break open an uncirc set to place in a dansco (or am I missing something). So, as I see it, my 2009 dansco will only need 8 slots....4 designs each for P and D (my dansco doesn't have the proofs).

Correct?

 

A lot of people bust open mint sets to put coins in their Dansco albums. They've done it for years because the mint sets tended to have better quality coins than they could get in bank rolls. Even after the mint sets switched to satin finish in 2005 they still did so and just put satin finish coins in instead of business strikes. My guess is that in a few years they will regret not searching out the quality business strikes as well because I believe that eventually the albums will start coming with holes for both and sets won't be considered "complete" unless they have both. Collectors will be scrambling to find the quality post 2004 business strikes and they will be rare because the ones put into circulation will be worn, there won't be rolls that were put back, and they won't be able to get them out of mint sets either.

 

Well, if you want to get the copper cents then that is exactly what I am saying. How else do you plan on getting them?

 

Very good point Conder. This is something that I definintely keep in the back of my mind all the time. I just started putting together my business strike Sac set and it is much harder than I expected. The quality is definitely not as good for the business strikes as it is for the satin strikes.

 

I don't plan on it, and since it is only found in a set, I don't think there will be a dansco page for it. But, maybe I'm wrong. We all collect differently, and when I get all 8 of the ones circulated, I'll be complete. I don't have too many proofs or uncirc sets...

But thanks, I didn't know people actually did that. It is new to me....