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Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by tmoneyeagles, May 18, 2009.

  1. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    In the early 1900s, United States President Theodore Roosevelt wanted change the designs of U.S. coins, which most of the circulating United States coinage that he wanted to change had been designed by Barber. Theodore Roosevelt thought of Barber's designs, on the United States coinage ugly and he preferred ancient Greek designs, which had something that he wanted on his coins, high relief.
    During his Roosevelt’s administration, he had the old double eagle ($20 gold coin) replaced with a new design, considered possibly the single most beautiful design on a United States coin ever, which was designed by Augustus Saint-Gaudens. Although the double eagle was changed, the majority of the minor circulating coinage was not altered.

    In 1911, The United States Treasury Secretary Franklin MacVeagh, who had agreed with President Roosevelt on the designs of U.S. coinage, hired James Earle Fraser to design a new circulating nickel, for the United States, to replace that of the Liberty “V” Nickel.

    James Earle Fraser designed, a beautiful coin, which had a Native American on the obverse of the coin.

    The Native American, which was a combination portrait of three Native American chiefs, Iron Tail, Two Moons and John Big Tree. Chief Big Tree claimed his profile was used to create the portion of the portrait on the nickel’s obverse from the top of the forehead down to the upper lip.
    The buffalo that is on the reverse is an American Bison, and could have possibly been Black Diamond, from the Central Park Zoo.

    A short time after the Buffalo nickel went into circulation, there became a problem, where the nickel had its denomination. It had FIVE CENTS written out, on a raised mound, on which the bison was standing atop of. This became a problem, because this was a high point on the coin, and the lettering wore away very quickly.

    Quickly after this issue had been brought forth, the design was modified by Charles Barber during 1913, its first year of production. Barber removed the raised mound from the coin and lowered the relief of the denomination of FIVE CENTS, so that it would not wear away as quickly.
    However, there was one problem, the placement of the date! The date got worn out, just as quickly as the FIVE CENTS in the original raised mound design. (This was a similar problem that would later be seen on the Standing Liberty Quarter, 1916-1930.)


    This “date” issue was never addressed by the United States Mint, and for that reason, most buffalo or Indian head nickels today, have a completely obliterated date.
    A radical action was taken from enterprising artists; they would scrape away the original obverse, of the profile of the Native American, and modify him, either his headdress or the background, to create a work of art! These efforts were taken to somewhat, save the date of the buffalo nickel. These nickels are called hobo nickels, and for obvious reasons. These hobo nickels can fetch quite a bit of money in the marketplace today.

    There was an interesting design variety of the buffalo nickel in 1937.
    The 1937 Denver Minted 3 Legged buffalo nickel. On this coin, the buffalo’s right foreleg is gone. This error coin was produced when the leg of the buffalo, was accidentally taken off the die.
    These nickels were minted from 1913-1938, and had a D for Denver, S for San Francisco, or no mintmark, which symbolized Philadelphia.
    The majority of buffalo nickels were completely removed from circulation in the years from 1950-1960, although it was not uncommon to see a buffalo nickel in the 70’s or 80’s
    Getting a buffalo nickel, in a roll today is not likely, but it is not un-heard of, but the majority of the ones found will be in a more worn condition, with no date
    The buffalo nickel has been somewhat of a template for coins, minted by the US Mint today, as in 2001 they struck 500,000 pieces of a silver $1 buffalo, 227,131 at the Denver Mint, in Uncirculated Condition, and 272,869 at the Philadelphia Mint, in a Proof Coin.
    2001 Buffalo NGC MS69.JPG
    In 2006 minting of the Gold Buffalo began. This was a $50 gold piece, and continued until 2007. In 2008, they began minting of the Buffalo Fractionals, along with $50 gold piece. The fractionals consisted of a $5 Piece, which was a tenth ounce of a gold, a $10 piece, which was a quarter ounce of gold, a $25 piece, which was a half ounce of gold, and the $50, which was one full ounce of gold.
    The mintages of these pieces were somewhat high in the first two years, and in the last year of issue, in 2008 they were extremely low, and are value on these pieces have skyrocketed over the past few months.
    I greatly admire this coin, and it is another one of my favorite coins of all time...The buffalo nickel
     
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  3. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE

    Well done T$.......I love the Buffalos !!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

    James Earle and Laura Gardin Fraser were among the finest in the business...EVER !!!!!
     
  4. WLhalves

    WLhalves Member

    T$ this was one of the first type of coins I collected and the design will always hold a special place in my heart! Gret article.
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    All of the designs changed during the Roosevelt administration were designed by Longacre not Barber (cent, quarter eagle, half eagle, eagle and double eagle) and Roosevelt did not die in 1907 (Saint-Gaudens did) and he DID see the new double eagles.
     
  6. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Really, I was almost for certain he died before he got to see the actual coin..
    And Roosevelt did find Barber's designs ugly (Nickel, Quarter, Dime and Half), and wanted to change them...They were changed after his administration, but, he had the plans to do it, while he was alive.. Should have cleared that up, sorry :D
    Lemme' edit that right quick, thanks for pointing that out
     
  7. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer


    You know WLhalves, a lot of people, my age, that don't collect coins, but they at least know a little bit, talk about them or the parents having a buffalo nickel, and they talk about how rare it is... I always burst their bubble a little bit, but tell them it is one of my favorites as well... Seems everybody knows about the buffalo nickel...Such a beautiful coin! What is not to like? :D
     
  8. Goldstone

    Goldstone Digging for Gold

    Should have searched first lol
     
  9. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    No, no.. LOL
    Would have been kind of hard for you to know, that there was stuff about the hobo nickel in here, that is for sure! :)
    Good luck to ya
     
  10. Sholom

    Sholom retired...

    I read somewhere that Roosevelt hated Barber's coins so much he was going to have introduced a bill to remove the motto of "In God we Trust" because he thought it insulting to God to have it on such a bad looking coin!

    (Teddy Roosevelt died in 1919)
     
  11. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    That is somewhat extreme :)
    But if he thought the coins were ugly... :D
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Roosevelt DID think Barber's coins were ugly, but they could not be touched without Congressional approval because they had not been in production for 25 years yet.

    Roosevelt did object to the motto IGWT being on the coins, but it had nothing to do with Barbers designs. It was a personal belief and as far as I know he had no intention of trying to push for legislation to remove it. He was smart enough to know that would be a powderkeg. He simply checked to see if the laws REQUIRED the motto to be on the coins he was having redesigned (Specifically Saint-Gaudens coins) and if not could it be left off? Saint-Gaudens felt the same way about the motto and had no objection to leaving it off. The fewer inscriptions the better.

    And tmoneyeagles was confusing Saint-Gaudens death from cancer in 1907 with Roosevelt. Saint-Gaudens did see the first trial pieces but did die without seeing any of the final production coins or even the UHR trial pieces. I would have to double check RWB's book to find out specifically which trial piece he did see. Probably the double thick piece. (Roosevelt couldn't have died in1907 because he's not one of the President that died in office, his term ended in 1908, and he ran for President again as part of the Bull-Moose Party in 1912.)
     
  13. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Yes I know that last part, I got that mixed up...
    And, thanks for the info on the IGWT, because I didn't mention it anywhere
     
  14. Sholom

    Sholom retired...

    I *think* I read that it was the objection to Barbers designs in Breen's book (when it was online for a few days), but if not there I read it somewhere else online. In either event, without a citation, it's just second hand info to me anyways . . . .
     
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