Grade this saint

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WEll, may I start off by saying, sexy coin..

Now as for grading, I see it has quite a bit of marks on it, and the eagle's wings are pretty banged up...
The nose, breast, and knee, are clearly visible, and are in good detail.
Now as for mint luster, I can't really tell by the pics...
With those pictures of the coin, I'm going to say AU condition, leaning towards a AU58

 

That's an awesome coin and I don't see any wear so I have to go 63.

 

Really? The rim is a disaster area. I'm a rookie, but agree with tmoney - AU in the high 50's

Joe

 

I'm going to call this coin AU. I think I see what is a rub on Liberty's knee and that would drop this coin down into the AU area. If that wasn't there...I'd say low MS. The coin has a number of noticeable bag marks but those are very common for large gold coins and they tend not to hurt the grade as much as with other coins. I think I would call this AU55. If my eyes are deceiving me and that isn't a rub, I'd call is MS62.

 

Wow nice coin!

 

My neighbor is a gold coin dealer, so I've had a number of opportunities to drool...er look at a number of PCGS graded St. Gaudens. On a few of these, I've been surprised at the grade in spite of some of the bagmarks.

I don't see any wear. One of the spots I look at is the hand holding the staff.

I'll go MS60.

 

Large gold coins are very prone to getting bag marks...much more so than other coins. This is because the gold is very soft and the coins have a large surface area. As a result, the TPG's are very forgiving when grading them when it comes to bag marks.

 

Some of you were close. Here she is in her slab.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fresh-1924-20-G...QptZCoinsQ5fUSQ5fIndividualQQsalenotsupported

 

I guess what looked like rubs (luster breaks) to me weren't. I feel the coin is a little too baggy to get a 65, but I guess PCGS didn't feel the same way.

 

That seller is a terrible seller!
His pictures don't represent the coins he sells really.. This is who I bought my 1911 quarter eagle from, and that seller is lucky that I am pleased with the coin
I took three days to pay for the coin, and I told the seller before I bought the coin, it would take me three days to pay, and he said it was alright
I paid him on the first of may, and he shipped it out on the 8th of may, without contacting me at all, and it said on the auction it takes 1 day to ship item
I got item on the 11th, and I had paid $8 for shipping, and the postage on the package said $1.56
That seller, gold dust coin, is a terrible seller, and I do not recommend him to anyone

 

Only took four days for me to get mine.

 

I think the reason I didn't give him a neutral was the fact that I didn't receive my feedback yet, and I got such a good deal on the coin
But I did leave him 1 star on both shipping categories...

 

Forgive me T$ but the issue is with the coin not with his ethics. The coin in question is in an TPG service holder and is above reproach.

 

Don't really understand what you are saying?
If he can't take good pictures, that represent his coins accurately, then he is being deceiving...
Look at the pics given up top, then look at the auction...
You can barely see some of the nicks, and the rim damage, that you see in the second set of pics, the coloring is off too...

 

I guess that kind o' holds credence to the old saying that has been echoed around this forum on numerous occasions..."buy the coin not the holder".

 

Exactly...
That coin, the Gaudens we just graded, doesn't look 62 to me...
The AU58 $2.5 I bought from them, looked like an AU58, and looked good for the grade... Then when I got it in, it looks like a higher grade...

 

Well..I'm not all that surprised. My gold dealer friend has one coin (a ten dollar Indian) with a noticeable gash in the cheek and it was graded MS65 by PCGS.

I've got a 1924 St Gaudens (the only one I own) with way fewer (almost none) bag marks than this coin. My only concern is that it may have been cleaned. I can generally detect cleaning on silver coins, but I haven't had enough experience with gold coins to be confident in my ability to detect a cleaned coin.

I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and submit it for grading..

 

Bottom line folks......nobody decided to dance with this lady. She remains unspoken for......

 

No, that is not right. The photo makes no difference at all. If you are willing to purchase a certified coin with a terrible photo, you are essentially buying the coin sight unseen and trusting the opinion of the TPG. The photo only assures you that the coin offered is actually a certified coin.

The problem with this entire country is that everyone denies personal responsibility. Everything is someone else's fault. Americans perpetually look for someone to blame for their lot in life which is better that just about everyone else in the world BTW.

I think that in high school, they should make a mandatory one year class called CAVEAT EMPTOR. I would settle for an ethics class, but am not sure anyone is qualified to teach one anymore.

This is not a personal attack towards you Travis, but to say a seller who posts a poor photo of a certified coin is trying to deceive you is your failure to accept personal responsibility for your own decisions.