Does anybody have an 1809 dime?

Just curious.
I was reading in another forum about collectors looking for over a year for a representative example of the 1809 dime in VG-XF. No luck. Nothing turns up. It's rated R-4 so nothing out of this world, but where are they all?
If you have one, pls post it.
Thanks,
Eduard

 

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Checked my type set and, "no", my Classic Head is not a 1809.
Mine is an 1814, Crosslet 4.

But I know the feeling.
I've been looking for an 1809 Classic Head half cent for quite a while.
Not many showing up and the ones that do are not very appetizing.
Or overpriced.

 

1809 Dime not copper. I do not have one, but I have found the 1809 large cent to be elusive in the ag/g range to match my others. I am sure they are out there, but tough as Kanga mentioned to find.

 

I believe he's asking for the 1809 Dime, not Cent

 

Correct.
And the first part of my response addressed that.
The second part was meant to be a comment on 1809 coinage in general.
Seems to be a difficult year.

 

Sorry, I thought when you said " my Classic Head is not a 1809" right after "no,", I thought you meant no to not having an 1809 Cent

 

Oops, and I STILL got it wrong.
The 1814, Crosslet 4 is obviously a cent, not a dime.
My Capped Bust Wide Border dime is a 1821, Large Date.

The second part observation about 1809 in general still stands.

That's one problem (at least for me) with doing a type set as the main collection.
I get to know lots of issues a little bit, but none well.
Confusing at times.

 

Boy talk about a bunch of confusing posts...I went back and read mine. I meant to say I do not have 1809 dime. And the large cent comment was just to agree with Kanga that 1809 is a tough year for coins in general except the bust half. My opinion only.

 

Boy you guys are confusing me!

 

Sadly, I have no US coins that old. Still need to fill in the "oldie" slots in my type album. I do have an escudo from 1794 though.

 

First year of the design (John Reich), 51,065 struck from a single die pair. I see about 20 of them auctioned on Heritage since 2005, an xf-40 NGC brought $1,380 in 1/2006. Given the scarcity, and desirability of owning a first-year coin, no wonder they are as hard to find as hens' teeth!

 

As Ksparrow says, the 1809 Dime does turn up occasionally at Heritage, but overall its rate of apperance seems to be at least as seldom as the famed 1822 Dime. For example, if my counting is correct there have been more 1822's in Ebay than 1809's over the last year.........and the 1822 is considered a rarity!

One of the guys in the PCGS forum has been looking for one for over a year, with no success. And another is offering a $50-100 reward for any tips leading to a purchase....

Or, somebody is out there hoarding these coins.

Hey, maybe i am a rich man and don't know it - i have an example of the 1809 Dime in a decent G+

 

Experience has taught me that the catalogs don't always have it right.
Mostly this occurs with issues that aren't popular.
Three coins may catalog the same in value, but one might difficult to find.
And I'm not talking for a couple months; I'm talking for a couple years.
It may be rarer that the catalog value would suggest.

I've got one like that that I need to finish my type set.
It's a SL Dime, Stars/No Drapery (1838-1840) in AU/Low MS slabbed by either PCGS or NGC.
Hard to find, and on the rare occasions I do find one, it's overpriced according to my catalogs.
Or is it?

 

http://www.collectorscorner.com/Products/Item.aspx?id=3564630 this one seems cheap enough she is a beauty!

 

The 1809 dime was the first year of the Capped Bust type struck with an open collar. There is only one die variety/marriage known for the year according to the John Reich Society reference. They too call it R.4, a "very scarce variety" and say "with patience, a nice VF-30 specimen can generally be found at a reasonable price. However, this variety is extremely rare in mint state. Finest seen is MS-65 (lot 30, Auction '79 sale, July 26, 1979)."

Heritage has sold 48 examples (including duplicates), several different Gems but most in the VF-XF range. But PCGS has only certified 48 in all grades, coincidentally. Maybe an underrated date?

Best Regards,

George
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Like kanga says, it seems the 1809 dime is another coin where the rarity/scarcity is not matched by the price.
This is a little bit like the 1844 vs the 1846 dime: the 1844 is plentiful as everybody knows, and vastly overpriced (the 'Orphan Annie' story and all that). The 1846 on the other hand is truly scarce, but books the same as the 1844 in most guides. There are many other such examples probably.
However, it seems the 1809 is catching up rapidly in popularity: somebody in the C.U forum was referring to the frantic search by collectors seeking this coin as '1809 Dime Hysteria'......
I think i'll hold onto my G+ sample until the prices skyrocket, and then i'll retire!

 

I have had to be happy with my Good 1809 for years. Imagine it will have to remain that way with the tough dates increasing in value as they are. There is much hoarding of this date.

I was shocked by the 1822 VG that sold for $1900+ last week. My VG is slightly better, and I well remember being criticized for paying $550 for it not too many years ago.

 

Hello Byron, i too saw that 1822 in VG go at Heritage. Not a bad price for a VG!
I have a VG too, about the same as the Heritage specimen, but w/o scratches on the reverse. Please post your example if you can.

At the moment it seems like the 1809 is on par for availability with the 1822. As you say, there is probably someone out there hoarding the 1809.

 

http://www.byronreed.com/byrons_collections/capped_bust_dimes/1822_dime/1822jr01.htm

 

Here is some more on the elusive 1809 dime for those who are interested:
This one ended in Ebay last night....amazing someone would pay that much for a coin in that shape!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...T&viewitem=&salenotsupported#ebayphotohosting

Also, Rich Uhrich has this one for sale on his website:
http://www.richuhrichcoins.com/images/1809_Dime_VG8scr_obv.jpg

So they do show up, but unfortunately they are priced quite high.


Check also Byron's site for an amazing collection of these capped dimes: beautiful!

Finally, here is my specimen of the 1809. I wish i had tried to obtain a better example when they were more available 15-20 years ago. Still, it is a wholesome specimen which i grade G4 to VG8, and glad to have in my collection.

Eduard