last one...1964 lincoln possible DD on rev.

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  1. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Might just be MD.....:eek:hya:
     

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    the 'doubling' on the U of Unum is strike/mechanical/machine doubling.
     
  4. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    No doublED die, your looking to close again, keep searching.

    No doublED die, your looking to close again, keep searching.
     
  5. just coins

    just coins New Member

    A machine doubling

    JC
     
  6. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    For the 64 DDO its in America
     
  7. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    I look close enough to notice the differences on the coin, that is it.
     
  8. houston3204

    houston3204 Numismatic Consultant

    I don't see a double die...in my humble opinion....keep looking....and have fun while doing so...
     
  9. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    What I mean is

    What I mean is your looking to close on coins that will not matter much.
    Now here me out. Your looking at a 1964-P Lincoln Cent there are basically 2 dies that have value in circulated condition # 1 and #58 (I think that's it) the rest are as common as dust. Even these coins will not realize very much money below XF. Plus it depends on what you are wanting to accomplish here - in the early days I saved every slight RPM and DoublED die no matter how small it may be and it helped me learn but my focus has drifted to "the money coins" - which in turn are the big ones. For instance I will search every reverse of 1964 Lincoln's but not even glance at the obverse any longer and I try and put my time in on BU 1964-P because in those may be some money coins.
    I no longer search coins where no doublED dies have been found or at best just minor ones. These coins are not money coins and I would rather search "where gold has been found before" - that's all I'm saying.
    I'll give you an example when going through circulated cent rolls:
    I never look at 1979,78,77, or 1965, 61, plus 1993-D, 2005-D, 2007-D, 2008 anything 1991-D an so on - there ain't nothing in them - I spend my time on the others. Plus if a coin is ruined or in very bad shape the only ones I look at are 1969-S, 70-S, 72-P, 83-P and 84-P plus 95-D and the wide AM's. Now before anyone says it yes, I may miss a new discovery but it's not likely and I have been doing this a long time so,
    All I'm saying is if you look to hard at coins that are not known to have varieties in them (or at least not very big ones) your honing your skills on the fodder and not the gold - if you spend your time on years/mints that do have known varieties you have not only a better chance of finding the bigger ones you will hone your skills on learning those more often.
    Hope this helps!
     
  10. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    Very minor machine doubling. sorry.
     
  11. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    I hear you bhp3rd, I do the same thing. I go on coppercoins.com, and seen all the examples of dd over the years. And the dates you give that you don't peruse, is funny. These are basically the same years I don't even give a second thought to. But then, sometimes if you don't look at some of these coins, you would miss this one, which I sold on e-bay for$20. But either way the odds are against you:rolleyes: This is from a 1993D
     

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  12. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    There are several DDRs for 1964 and one of them has excellent doubling on the words STATES oF AMERICA as well as E PLURIBUS UNUM.

    Still as noted, the coin at the top of the thread is not a doubled die.

    Thanks,
    Bill
     
  13. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Whats the deal on the 1993 D cent. I hope you didnt sell that as a doubled die. 'cause it "Ain't"
     
  14. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Not a doubled die but it could be a dropped letter.
     
  15. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    I highly doubt it.
     
  16. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    True I forgot to add that Bill! One of them brain farts again!
     
  17. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    Benjamin

    I see what you are saying about only looking for certain dates but if I had been given that advice and listened to it this would never have happened

    http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t28724/

    Believe me when i say that i look at EVERYTHING!

    Richard
     
  18. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    I can't argue with you on that - it is a spectacular die!

    I can't argue with you on that - it is a spectacular die! Now I look at all those 82's for sure - but I search so many and they are mostly from circulation but if it's nice condition I search them all. Plus the years I don't normally search if I get BU rolls I look at all, forgot to clarify that.
     
  19. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    No, I did not sell that 93D as a dd. I sold it as a die variety. I think I did very well on it.:goof:
     
  20. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    You did well on it but the buyer did not. That is not a die variety of any kind. You really shouldn't sell things just because they look different unless you know what you are looking at. The buyer was on the bad end of that deal.

    Sorry to be honest but....

    Thanks,
    Bill
     
  21. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    You should refund his/her money - this is the danger with

    You should refund his/her money - this is the danger with new variety searchers and new, even old sellers.
    I am the guy on eBay that caution's people that are selling "double" (the correct phrase is doublED) dies when they don't even know what one is - I have been scorned, loved, rebuffed, threatened and so on and I have helped many start to learn.
    The 93-D is not a die variety - a die variety is a coin struck from a die, or die made from a hubb that has been doubled or otherwise hubbed incorrectly and then in turn is different from the intended "normal" run of current dies manufactured.
    The reason it's a die variety is each coin, and each coins stage there after can be traced to that working die or hubb - there was nothing wrong with this 1993-D die.
    Not I have seen your progress as you have been learning and I feel you've learned a lot. This is not an easy aspect of coin collecting to learn - if fact those learning it will never understand all there is to know and this is perfectly alright.
    But to sell stuff before you know - to sell or offer for sale before you really know is what I have been cautioning eBay sellers about for the past ten years - why? Because I love this hobby. I love new people getting excited about it and becoming knowledgeable - what breaks my heart is when a new person brings me something they have bought form a dealer that does not know what a doubled die is and I have to tell them "it ain't what you thought". If they get to feeling that even the coin dealers don't know what they are talking about they may leave the hobby and that is not right - If I offer for sale or list an item as the seller it is my responsibility to know and guaranty what I am selling - we don't guess at this stuff we learn, then we pass that learning on to others - it is perfectly fitting that we do that and is our responsibility to do so not just every now and then but every time we sell, trade or barter.
     
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