What is this on the edges of this coin?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by fnord123, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. fnord123

    fnord123 Junior Member

    Background: Bought a bunch of bullion coins back in the late 90s. Turns out they were a better investment than the dollar cost averaging into the stock market I did ;)

    I have not looked at the coins in a long time (years) - went to look at them recently and found many of the silver eagles looked like the attached picture.

    What is the brown stuff along the edge? This coin has sat in the pictured Airtite, in the felt square card, in a box, in my gun safe since Bill Clinton was president.

    Is this just a really ugly patina forming?
    Or is it the Airtite foam ring or plastic shell somehow corroding the coin (oops - thought that airtites would be a good way to store the coins!)?
    Or is it something else (do clean guns give off corrosive fumes)?

    Any thoughts would be most appreciated!
     

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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Looks like the coin is toning.

    By the way - - - welcome to CoinTalk.
     
  4. mgChevelle

    mgChevelle AMERICAN

    your coin is starting to tone. This is a quality that many collectors look for and admire.
     
  5. fnord123

    fnord123 Junior Member

    Thanks for the quick responses (and the welcome), I appreciate it!

    It is a relief to hear this is just toning. Better than the alternatives at any rate.

    I wish nature had picked a color other than rusty brown to tone my coins with!
     
  6. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    you can dip it and it'll come right off.
     
  7. ice

    ice Just happy to be here

    Give it time you might see all the colors of the spectrum before it is done. Ice
     
  8. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    My guess is the black foam surrounding the coin, is having a chemical reaction with the coin and that's why the toning is starting at the edge. Given time, it will continue over the entire coin so if you don't want the entire coin that color, you might want to think about different holders for them. ;)

    Ribbit :)
     
  9. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

  10. jgreenhood

    jgreenhood Senior Member

    The foam in Air-tights shouldn't cause a reaction. I've seen the same toning on ones not in air-tights. But intercept shields are created for "museum" quality protection.

    Don't dip it. (But I'm not going to harp on that statement)

    Although I must admit I wish more collectors were like the ones on here that like toning. There is nothing sadder than some one sending back a beautifully toned coin because it is toned & not bright & shinny!
     
  11. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    If you are storing coins and guns at the same time, it may be the gun oil giving off fumes which are affecting the coins.
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'd put my bet on the gun oil, or fumes from the cleaning solvents used to clean the guns.
     
  13. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    what this is

    Thats what I suspect also, looks like gun oil
     
  14. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Regardless of the cause, that coin will continue to tone and the outcome may not be desirable. It does appear to be turning brownish and not toning with the usual colors people like in toned coins. Therefore I too suggest you change the holder and the location for those coins.
     
  15. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Enjoy it for what it is...Bullion. Personally I wouldn't concern myself with the toning and would keep them with the guns.
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I agree. Coins and guns don't need to be in the same safe.
    Everything you put in a safe is going to put off something.
    Carpet and the glue, shelves and the paint.
     
  17. jgreenhood

    jgreenhood Senior Member

    Yeah they are considered a bullion coin but try buying them for that. LOL

    Generally I find they tone ugly anyway usually black & brown.

    You may just want to get a 2nd safe just for your coins since the consensus is that the guns may be the cause of the toning.
     
  18. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    It's called "starting to tone" it is a natural, normal process.

    It's called "starting to tone" it is a natural, normal process.
    There is virtually no way to keep silver and copper from doing this though it can be greatly diminished by proper storage techniques.

    It always amazes me that folks think all those Morgans in ms-64 White have not been dipped at one time or another.
    It is not logical that your coin started toning after a few years probably kept in an air conditioned home and all those Morgans, Barber's and Seated silver coins that were kept in hot humid bank vaults or wooden shelves or cabinets did not.
    It's not only not logical it's impossible.
     
  19. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Could also be gun powder. I stored some coins in a gun safe for a while and some where near a container of black powder...and they toned quite a bit.
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    The main thing to remember is that Air-Tite (tm) is not air tight. They are good holders, no doubt about that, but if one wishes to eliminate rather than just reduce toning, you can not depend on them or slabbed holders. Intercept (tm) premise is to attract and bind contaminants that might cause toning ( sulfides, etc.), but they are not rechargeable. If you have low levels of contaminants, they might do the job for 20 years or more. If you live in a town with a coal burning plant, maybe only 3 -5 years.

    I keep expecting someone to produce a " Toning Risk Test strip" where collectors could place the strip inside of rooms, safes, vaults, etc. and have a good assessment of the risk of toning.

    Jim
     
  21. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    You think?
     
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