What does this phrase mean?

It's a genuine 1907.

The problem they reported was "altered surface". It must be the "dipping" thing.

 

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could be. You can always call NGC and ask them to be more specific. But I think you said they told you "altered Surface" cleaned or tooled? thats why I suggested a good microscope to examine it. that marking on the obverse could very well be a tool marking.

 

How did you acquire this coin? How far back do you know the history of it? I just ask because worse has been done to lesser value coins than this for the sake of scamming somebody. It's possible that someone could have spent quite a bit of time altering the date to make this more valuable. Could have been done many years ago, long before this price range. Then they could have harshly cleaned the whole thing to make it blend in.

Just a theory unless you have some way to prove it's actually high relief compared to a normal one. All you can do is send it in and see if you can at least get it in an authentic slab. If not, I'd sell it for bullion and get something else.

 

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read the article about alterations.

 

If you do decide to contact NGC for a more definitive explanation, please do come back and let us know . Thanks. Tom.

 

That's a great article. I wish I could get an Omega counterfeit. Then I would own an authentic 1907, a 2009 and an Omega! It would be cool to see those three in a holder side-by-side.

 

At this point I would send it to PCGS and get it in a genuine holder. I agree that the coin was probably dipped.

 

Nice history, but sorry Topo, that really doesn't eliminate any concerns I may have had about authenticity. I would have thought, that the "expert" surely would have had the coin authenticated and graded. I guess I am very suspect that way. Don't feel bad, some most noted collectors , were also fooled with this.

 

I am sure you read the part, " only twenty known" exist.. UHR and notation of the tooling marks. One such " altered" speciment was presented for auction , from the Harry Bass collection, and guess what........oh no!

 

Someone else submitted it for me, so I will probably never get the full story. I will probably just keep it anyway. It's my favorite coin.

 

He was fooled a few times, but in his day there weren't any grading services. They had to count on their memory and eyes back then.

 

Well if you are okay with it, thats all that matters. Even owning specimens of altered coins is apart of this hobby, especially with "tooled" specimens.

 

Yeah, and as a bonus, I can probably hold it in my hands without affecting the value.

 

I would certainly send it in to PCGS and get it slabbed for protection and insurance purposes if nothing else. You should be very happy owning the coin, and I am happy to see one in the hands of a collector.

Jim

 

I'm sitting here asking myself why you are going that direction....???...What stands out about the date that makes you think altered?

Do you think they would be able to tell you anything?....I mean, they go over thousands of coins every day. I doubt they would be able to say....oh yeah...that gold piece we had last month. Well, I saw a dig here and this there....etc....
Calling NGC isn't going to get a detailed answer.

Speedy

 

ok they keep very good detailed notes, even so when rejecting a coin.

 

Can you point me to something that backs up this statement? I know people who either work, or have worked at both PCGS and NGC, and what they say, doesn't back this up at all.

Speedy

 

First, the presenter might try getting the coin under a good scope, he may be able to satisfy his own question.