Weak Strike and Eye appeal

Most Of you folks gave it higher grades than I. But, there it is , in a NGC MS66 designated holder.Tough to argue with those that hold all the cards, no pun intended. yeah right.

 

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I would support coin talk, if I could get tech support to help me figure this darn thing out. HELP!

 

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I agree that I knew the grade since I own it, but you gave the coin an MS61. There is no way this coin could ever grade that low. I don't know what you were seeing unless you thought the toning breaks were big scratches.

 

I don't understand.

 

A Slab can cause a bidding war on Ebay.

Despite what we may personally think of a coin's grade, PCGS ANACS and NGC determine the value in the newbie internet marketplace.

I just unloaded a toned 79 (with a big ole fingerprint to the left of Liberty's face) which was PCGS slabbed. I actually made money. It was awful to look at, i couldn't wait to get rid of it. Unslabbed it would have gone for a quarter of what I received.

 

For some reason, when I go to FAQ and try to create a new thread, I am directed to a page that says my user account doesn't have sufficient permission to post a new thread.

 

As long as the coin is commonly found weakly struck and the strike isn't particularly weak for the issue, I do not hold coins back for exhibiting a weak strike -- the present example included -- until they get to the 66 grade or above.

 

Thanks for getting us back on track to the real issue Mike. Does that mean you are okay with both of these coins having the same grade?



Just wondering.

 

There is no way these two 84 O's should have the same grade. Do you agree or disagree?

 

oh btw, i'm still having tech problems and can't get anyone to help with them. Isn't there a way to have someone call me? this is ridiculous.

 

Yep - I know - the smiley face is because you don't want to know my thoughts on hold-em poker.

 

Without seeing the two coins in hand, yes, I'm comfortable with both having the same grade (provided it's not higher than 65).

The logic being this: The first coin looks like the technically superior coin, and the second wins in eye appeal (and likely got a grade bump because of it).

 

I agree with that statement. My biggest issue is the lines under Liberty's chin. The strike and tone aren't really as important I guess, I can understand how they should not impact grading.

I wouldn't buy this coin, but we all have our pet peves, and I'm not a fan of toned Morgans. Nor am I a fan of weak strikes, this one didn't have a chance with me lol

(more of a blast white kinda guy myself)

 

If you guys can make authoritative statements about grading from photos, you are fooling yourselves, IMO. Respectfully...Mike

 

You are probably right, I guess the lines under Liberty's chin could be an illusion. My bad.

This is a forum, if everyone shut up because we are only looking at a photograph and can't possibly give our opinion without seeing a coin in person this place would be postless....

:whistle:

 

What do you mean. I certainly want to hear your thoughts on hold-em poker. The only thing I love more than coins is poker, even if I am down $10K for the year so far.

 

I know this wasn't directed at me...but I thought I would answer anyway . I feel that the first coin is an exceptional strike for an 1884-O and thus deserves to be "bumped" possibly in grade and value. Just like you would for any coin exhibiting a suburb strike. The second coin has a normal strike for an 1884-O and thus I don't think you can penalize it.

Now, if both coins were 1881-S it would be different. The first coin would be a normal strike and thus deserving of no premium while the second coin would be a very poor strike which would hurt the grade and value. It all depends on the typical characteristics of that particular coin.

 

I agree with your analysis except that MS66 coins are supposed to have above average strikes. My coin has an average strike at best which should IMO limit the grade to MS65. However, if it is then market graded to an MS66 due to the excellent surfaces and eye appeal, I don't really mind that either.

 

I agree with that. But, what I'm trying to say is this coin shouldn't be penalized like some other dates would be. It seems like a lot of people who aren't overly familiar with this series will want to look at this coin and say that it has a "poor strike" and penalize it. As you know, there is a very wide range of "normal strikes" for this series. What qualifies as an MS65 "average strike" for one year is vastly different from another. I agree that with an average strike, MS65 is about the maximum (although, I feel another point can be earned by being exceptional in other areas...I think this is what happened here). But, lets say this coin was an 1880-S or an 1881-S...how would that affect the grade. I would call the 1884-O a MS65/66 slider as it is. If this was an 1881-S...I'd probably say MS63/64 slider at best.