What to do with these IHC? Pics

Hello All,

I have trying to figure this whole coin thing out, but I cannot figure out what is going on with these particular coins. Overall, they are very nice as far as quality goes. These coins are not worn too bad, but the 1897 has some corrosion and the 1903 has some wierd coloring going on. Let me know if I should just leave them alone and if this is something that normally happens to these types of coins. What do you think about the grades and possible rememdies or anything you think.
Chris

 

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first is vf second is xf

 

Even with full diamonds and Liberty, I was hoping they are a little higher than that, but your grade probably figures in the corrosion problem?
Chris

 

Verdigris I believe. If you don't remove it, it will most likely get worse.FYI - There more than likely are problems are beneath the VD. Proper storage should prevent this from happening again. Check out the mans link above. Good luck.

 

This verdigone will not hurt the value of the coins?

 

It will only get worse if you do not do something. There is a thread on here about verdigone trial with before and after pics. Desertgem posted it I think.

 

I would say XF and AU as the net grades. I agree try verdigone on them - you can get it from AJ in the link above.

 

After reading another post in the coins forum, I am a bit hesitant to "clean" these coins. I am probably not in this for profit, but I do not want to "hurt" the value of these coins. I have 2 questions. If it is just for coins like this where I want to make sure the coin makes in many years into the future, would it be okay to clean them with the verdigone. Secondly, is there something I can "lightly" wipe the coin with before and after touching the coin so that my figure print doesn't hurt the coin. I realize from here on out to where some sort of cotton glove. But, I have touched a few coins, including a 1909 S-VDB before I had the knowledge I have now. Thanks again guys.
Cheers,
Chris

 

Verdi-gone isn't a coin cleaning product, it a copper conservation product. If you have to lightly wipe a coin use a microfiber cloth. You should be touching you coins by the edges (rims) only.

 

Verdigris is an active corrosion process. If it is not removed, the coin will continue to deteriorate and get worse.

 

Thank you for clarifying what I was worried about. I did not realize that this Verdigone was "not" an actual cleaning process. I thought it was similar to the Olive oil and acetone things I have read elsewhere. Thanks for taking the time educating a newbie. I will try and return the favor to another new person. I know you guys must hate these types of questions sometimes.
Cheers,
Chris

 

Nope - don't hate the questions but they do cause some "vigorous" discussions. I would like to see some after pictures if you do not mind.

 

Both are technically at least AU if not MS but it's hard to tell from the photos. However, the corrosion is a serious problem and lowers the grade and de-values the coins greatly. The green verdigis sometimes can be removed with oil, Coin Care, Blue Ribbon, etc. without harming the coin. However, if the corrosion has gotten into the metal and isn't just on the surface, there's really not much you can do other than try to remove the debris that's on the surface. If I were you, I would try to sell these and find some Indian cents that do not have any problems, even if you can only afford lower grades - it's better to have a lower grade than a coin with problems.

 

They both suffer corrosion of one form or another. The first coins is the more acceptable of the two to my eye.

Personally, I would not try and clean/improve them. Rather, I'd just put them in a 2x2 and enjoy them for what they are or trade them for something else, or even giving them to a child or young numismatist.

Bottom line: Even if you improved their looks, they will still be worth at best a few dollars -- just not worth it, at least to me.

 

Hi,

I have sent the inventor of Verdi-Gone a message.. hopefully he can stop by and explain the details as to why Verdi-Gone is a conservation fluid... not a cleaning fluid.

 

right on

 

bad thad posted that somewhere on here i think do a search

 

This first coin would be an excellent candidate for VERDI-GONE™. The second coin is already a "goner" in my eyes. It appears to already have been harshly cleaned, the surfaces would not stand-up to any TGP IMO. The verdigris appears to be the carbonate type and it's probably pulled a lot of copper from the surface. Removal would likely result in some pits.

Let me clear-up something, VERDI-GONE™ is not a cleaner. It contains no cleaners or solvents, the active ingredient is designed to only react with the verdigris. When used as directed, the original patina will generally be maintained.

Also, I don't ever recommend rubbing the surface of any coin, especially with a cloth, that will damage the surface permanently. The other products mentioned in this post are cleaners. While they may remove some of the verdigris (I've never tried any of them), they will also remove the patina causing permanent damage to the coin. That's the whole reason I invented VERDI-GONE™, there's nothing like it on the market and the "home made" removers from harsh lemon juice and vinegar to olive oil will also change the patina and/or cause permanent damage.

If you choose not to conserve, you can virtually stop the verdigris formation quite easily. Just rinse the coins well with acetone, pat dry and put them into Airtite containers. Verdigris requires "food" to grow, i.e. air, moisture and chemicals. Take those away and there's nothing it can do.

 

Not meaning any disrespect or trying to cause controversy whatsoever, but I humbly disagree with this. I, and many many other dealers have been using CoinCare and Blue Ribbon for many years and have never seen it cause any damage, much less permanent damage, to coins. On the contrary, since it is oily based it helps losen debris to make it easier to remove, as well as helps conserve the coin from future "spit specks" and other moisture that will cause damage to coins. I am open to trying Verdi-gone and, since I have not used it, I cannot say one way or the other how well it works. I am sure it too is a great product, but I feel CoinCare and Blue Ribbon when used properly are also safe products that can enhance, and not harm, coins.