Is this a DD?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by jessash1976, Apr 5, 2009.

  1. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    I know there is a variety for this year. Is this one of them?
     

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  3. jgreenhood

    jgreenhood Senior Member

    I don't see anything to indicate it being a DD or machined.
     
  4. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    Looks like die wear to me, not DD
     
  5. zeke5

    zeke5 Member

    I beleive that would be die wear.
     
  6. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

  7. just coins

    just coins New Member

    You have die deterioration that;s all
    JC
     
  8. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    You need to be looking for thickness, thickness, thickness

    You need to be looking for thickness, thickness, thickness - splits, splits, splits.
    Now I know you have been searching and really working at it and have made progress and that's great.
    The majority of the coins that you have suspected (so far) have had very small types of doubling not consistent with true doublED dies.
    Now there are flat, (almost shelve-like) true doublED dies but the majority have extra images that will be thick almost as much as the primary image on the coin itself. Two other things I think you are missing is to look for definitive splits in the serifs/numbers along with strength of doubling running stronger on one side or the other.
    Now I'm just trying as you post to uncover your weaknesses as we go so I can point out a few of the things you may be missing, I could be wrong but lets do this, if you want send me a PM with your address and I will send you 2 or 3 true doubled dies for study on me - I have been doing this with some others on here and I would be glad to send you a few.
    Thanks,
     
  9. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    I see nothing out of the ordinary.
     
  10. jgreenhood

    jgreenhood Senior Member

    I think that they were talking about the shadow or dragged effect of the letters.
     
  11. jeffgelman

    jeffgelman Poco Zocko

    Hello It looks to me that it might be a Ejection Error.
    This is where the coin is struck BUT Before the die Retracts the ejection are starts to move. This makes the coin image look angel.
    Keep looking and the Best of luck
    Jeffrey The Error Coin Shop
    http://www.footmousetouchpad.com/error_coin_shop.html
     
  12. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    umm...nope. It's actually JUST a NORMAL 1942 cent. Nothing out of the ordinary as I stated above. The slight hump toward the rim is caused by die wear, but this too is completely normal.
     
  13. just coins

    just coins New Member

    Wekcome to the forum coppercoins I hope you learn alot here i have
    JC
     
  14. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    I actually joined here a few years ago and quickly lost interest due to a lack of participation. I was recently personally invited to return and give it a shot, so here I am. I hope to be able to help out here, and thank you for the welcome.
     
  15. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    I'm a little concerned about the use of the "DD"

    I'm a little concerned latlety about the use of the "DD" to describe a possible doublED dies. Now it may have changed but since I started the phrase "DD", or more appropriately D/D meant a D over a D or RPM.
    But lately on EBay and Coin Talk I see the use of the phrase DD in reference to doublED dies. I'm not sure we need to let that one slip by.
    The study of die varieties is complicated enough as is evidenced on here (and everywhere else) each and every day for new folks.
    Certainly the term DDO, or DDR is good or of course doublED die but I'm not sure we should be helping school folks and not saying anything when the term DD is used to describe doubled dies.

    I'm really not trying to be "nit-picky" here it's just I see how hard it is for people to get their arms around understanding doublED dies, heck, it's even hard for seasoned coin dealers as I give lesion's each month to dozens of folks, many that were around before I started.
    I just think we need to be concise and accurate as we help newcomers.
     
  16. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    Just coins

    Coppercoins is too modest to say this himself but that doesn't stop me!
    Chuck is one of the guys that you want to be learning FROM. When you get a chance take a look at his web site, www.coppercoins.com or pick up a copy of his book, Looking Through Lincoln Cents, if you can find a copy. I have learned a lot from Chuck and prpbably will be for years to come.

    Richard
     
  17. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    I definitely agree with BHP3rd. Any time we can teach, learn, and USE proper terminology we should - without laziness and acronyms that don't really exist.

    So many people complain that this stuff is so hard to learn, and I agree to a point. It's all really simple, but with message boards full of eager beginners trying to use terms they don't yet understand it muddies the waters for everyone involved. More newer collectors come around all the time seeing all these meaningless uses of terms that aren't even remotely acceptable numismatic terms, and start using them without knowing they are simply wrong. This proliferates incorrect term usage as a normal practice, lack of understanding what they are doing as collectors, and a tougher road to hoe in their own numismatic education having to eventually re-learn what they should have ben taught correctly in the first place.

    I have seen a vast number of cases of improper terminology on this site while looking back through the history of posts, but haven't said anything until now simply because I didn't really want to be the first to mention it.

    So please...if you really don't know 100% what you are talking about, or don't really know the proper term for what a person has, you might benefit from waiting for someone else to respond who does know exactly what to say. This way we can all eventually respond with an educated voice.

    As for Ziggy's statement...I prefer to just join in and be one with the rest of the people, and not walk in the door professing my credentials. I have done a lot in the numismatic community without ever being accused of being an elitist, and I would definitely like to keep it that way. Yes, my list of first name basis friends includes a LOT of authors and educators, but it also includes a LOT of collectors just beginning their journey who need help understanding what they are trying to find and what they have...and that's my porpose here. I'm not here to be the chief, I'm just here to help out where I can.
     
  18. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    and we're glad to have you here Chuck!
     
  19. jgreenhood

    jgreenhood Senior Member

    Your right the terms do get confusing. So I normally type them out. Although if you turn to page 8 in your red book.... Voila! there are Abbreviations & their meanings.... But not all are in there.
     
  20. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    I hear you. I do it. I think what mostly is happening is that we live in a society where people want to do things as fast as they can. So they start to shorten things, like LOL. I hate that expression, but I am guilty of using it.
     
  21. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    Sometimes it is a good idea to slow down, get the job done right, and enjoy the rewards of being thorough. I constantly find myself fighting against the instant gratification of current society, but I know it is a losing battle. I have had a cell phone for nearly three years now. I hate the things, but I have one out of necessity - I guess.
     
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