1844-O Seated Half DDO? Could it be, I need some other opinions.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by stella, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. stella

    stella The Myth

    I just want to see what eveyone thinks I should do with this coin, is it worth anything, I looked up a 1844-O DDO and the strike was way off. This one is close, and just the last 4 appears Doubled.

    Look at the pics and tell me what you think, machine doubling, DDO Variety?

    Help me out..

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    Let me know what you guys think...
     
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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    More likely is it a RPD.
     
  4. stella

    stella The Myth

    Also help me identify these two...

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  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    The star points on Bust Halves extend to the rim as the die wears.

    Your question is really one of variety - Overton variety for CBHs. You might get your answer if you post these coins in their own thread. I think we still have a few CBH collectors here. Too bad Bone is gone. He could identify them in a flash.
     
  6. stella

    stella The Myth

    wow, no one knows about that doubling
     
  7. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I collect Bust Halves, but I don't have a clue as to what your arrows are pointing to in the pics. Hobo is correct about the first one. The stars run when the die wears and is common on all dates in that series.
    Post better pics of each and be more specific and I might be able to be more precise.
    Guy~
     
  8. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    The first coin appears to be a RPD.

    The second coin's stars have spread towards the rim due to die wear. VERY COMMON on these coins in LDS. I'm not a bust guy (at least when it comes to coins ;) ), so can't help with attribution....Mike
     
  9. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    "wow, no one knows about that doubling "


    Hobo answered that 13 minutes after your first post. It isn't a double die but rather an rpd, or repunched date,

    Richard
     
  10. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    The other thing is not everyone lives on CoinTalk so you have to give peeps time to read the thread. ;) Patience is the key:

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it."

    Ribbit :)
     
  11. CappedBustDimes

    CappedBustDimes Senior Member

    What you have is a WB-104. RECUT SECOND 4. (1 HEAD DIE)

    "A single head die with the second 4 repunched south is paired with 2 different tail dies both of which have a large mintmark. Remnants of the weaker 4 can be seen clearly above the second 4 and is readily identifiable even on VG coins. This variety and the next (WB-105) are often misquoted as being the much rarer WB-103 "Blundered Date". (Included in Breen-4773)"

    "The repunched date varieties of this date were most likely struck late in 1844. In a letter [181 dated November 2, 1844 to New Orleans Mint Superintendent Kennedy, R.M. Patterson, the Director of the US Mint, stated “…The half dollar dies are in progress. They have been somewhat delayed by an accident in impressing the dates with the punches.” This was no doubt the work of Longacre."

    Here is your WB-103. An R2+ in all grades
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    Here is the "blundered date" (WB-103)
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    Wiley, Randy, & Bugert, Bill, The Complete Guide to Liberty Seated Half Dollars, DLRC Press, Virginia Beach, VA, 1993.
     
  12. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Excellent, CBD! :thumb:

    Ribbit :)
     
  13. stella

    stella The Myth

    Amazing thank you soooooo much, Does anyone know the value of this coin?????

    NEED HALP ON PRICING IT... HELP DEALEARS, AJ ETC...
     
  14. stella

    stella The Myth

    Also, is R2+ the raritie, and what does that mean 10,000 of them 100 of them????
     
  15. CappedBustDimes

    CappedBustDimes Senior Member

    You coin, with graffiti in the obverse field, would probably trade for $20-$40?

    Dick Osburn has an XF for $175 (description below). This variety is quite common.

    "1844-O XF45 WB-104 Repunched 44 $175 Problem-free with relatively heavy somewhat mottled brown toning. No notable marks, but the toning may be a touch dark for some tastes"

    http://dickosburn.com/Inventory.cfm
     
  16. CappedBustDimes

    CappedBustDimes Senior Member

    Sheldon scale.
    R8 = 1-3 known (estimated), "Unique or Nearly Unique"
    R7 = 4-12 known, "Extremely Rare"
    R6 = 13-30 known, "Very Rare"
    R5 = 31-75 known, "Rare"
    R4 = 76-200 known, "Very Scarce"
    R3 = 201-500 known, "Scarce"
    R2 = 501-1250 known, "Uncommon"
    R1 = over 1251 known, "Common"

    Overton's Scale.
    R8 1-3 Known Nearly Unique
    R7 4-12 Rare, with only a few specimens existing
    R6 13-30 Extremely Scarce, infrequent appearances at large shows or major auctions
    R5 31-75 Very Scarce, a few examples will appear at large shows or auctions across a year
    R4 76-200 Scarce, may or may not be available at larger shows
    R3 201-500 Tough Date, limited number of examples at a large show
    R2 500-1250 Better Date, generally available at most shows but in limited quantities
    R1 1250+ Common


    QDB also created a scale called the universal rarity scale..

    URS-0 None known
    URS-1 1 known, unique
    URS-2 2 known
    URS-3 3 or 4 known
    URS-4 5 to 8 known
    URS-5 9 to 16 known
    URS-6 17 to 32 known
    URS-7 33 to 64 known
    URS-8 65 to 125 known
    URS-9 126 to 250 known
    URS-10 251 to 500 known
    URS-11 501 to 1,000 known
    URS-12 1,001 to 2,000 known
    URS-13 2,001 to 4,000 known
    URS-14 4,001 to 8,000 known
    URS-15 8,001 to 16,000 known
    URS-16 16,001 to 32,000 known
    URS-17 32,001 to 65,000 known
    URS-18 65,001 to 125,000 known
    URS-19 125,001 to 250,000 known
    URS-20 250,001 to 500,000 known
     
  17. stella

    stella The Myth

    thanks guys
     
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